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The undeniable miracle at Fatima
RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
(August 13, 2017 at 4:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(August 13, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I got the pdf on my phone now. I definitely plan on reading. It's interesting to me to read about miracles or other supernatural incidents. One of my favorites is a book called "Possessed" which tells the true story of a boy who was possessed by the demons. It took a whole group of Jesuit priests to exorcise him.


Funny though, how you only accept miracle claims, as being true, when they stem from your religion. Yet, you don't when they stem from other religions.

Smacks of intellectual dishonesty, when the evidence you accept for Catholic miracle claims, is of the same type of evidence for miracle claims from other religions, that you do not accept.

for example, here are websites with stories of Jinn (Muslim spirit beings) possession. They are based on 'true stories'. There are many more 'true stories' of Jinn possession. Do you believe them?

https://jellani.wordpress.com/category/r...-and-wife/

http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/11/a-co...xperience/


http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.ph...al-Philips

Don't forgot alien abductions, psi, Sasquatch, alien astronauts, etc., etc.

(August 13, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I got the pdf on my phone now. I definitely plan on reading. It's interesting to me to read about miracles or other supernatural incidents. One of my favorites is a book called "Possessed" which tells the true story of a boy who was possessed by the demons. It took a whole group of Jesuit priests to exorcise him.

That's because they took turns having sex with him.
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RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
(August 13, 2017 at 4:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(August 13, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I got the pdf on my phone now. I definitely plan on reading. It's interesting to me to read about miracles or other supernatural incidents. One of my favorites is a book called "Possessed" which tells the true story of a boy who was possessed by the demons. It took a whole group of Jesuit priests to exorcise him.


Funny though, how you only accept miracle claims, as being true, when they stem from your religion. Yet, you don't when they stem from other religions.

Smacks of intellectual dishonesty, when the evidence you accept for Catholic miracle claims, is of the same type of evidence for miracle claims from other religions, that you do not accept.

for example, here are websites with stories of Jinn (Muslim spirit beings) possession. They are based on 'true stories'. There are many more 'true stories' of Jinn possession. Do you believe them?

https://jellani.wordpress.com/category/r...-and-wife/

http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/11/a-co...xperience/


http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.ph...al-Philips

They're the only ones I am familiar with and learned about in school, etc. But I wouldnt be opposed to the notion of God performing miracles for people of other faiths as well.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
(August 13, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I got the pdf on my phone now. I definitely plan on reading. It's interesting to me to read about miracles or other supernatural incidents. One of my favorites is a book called "Possessed" which tells the true story of a boy who was possessed by the demons. It took a whole group of Jesuit priests to exorcise him.

The author of this book wouldn't be Thomas B. Allen would it?

Quote:Allen tracked down the sole survivor of the team that performed the exorcism, Father Walter Halloran as well as a copy of the diary kept by the team leader, Father William S Bowden. The primary source of the documentation is the diary authored by Father Raymond J.

Quote:Since publication of the book, Allen has been a frequent guest on talk shows, entertainment shows and history shows that discuss exorcism in general, demonic possession and the case his book details.


Quote:Allen's Possessed has been criticized by Mark Opsasnik, who wrote that it contained questionable or inaccurate material, such as misidentifying the location as Mount Rainier, Maryland rather than Cottage City Maryland.
 
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It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
(August 13, 2017 at 6:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(August 13, 2017 at 4:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Funny though, how you only accept miracle claims, as being true, when they stem from your religion. Yet, you don't when they stem from other religions.

Smacks of intellectual dishonesty, when the evidence you accept for Catholic miracle claims, is of the same type of evidence for miracle claims from other religions, that you do not accept.

for example, here are websites with stories of Jinn (Muslim spirit beings) possession. They are based on 'true stories'. There are many more 'true stories' of Jinn possession. Do you believe them?

https://jellani.wordpress.com/category/r...-and-wife/

http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/11/a-co...xperience/


http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.ph...al-Philips

They're the only ones I am familiar with and learned about in school, etc. But I wouldnt be opposed to the notion of God performing miracles for people of other faiths as well.

But they claim that THEIR god performed the miracles.

Would you be open to that possibility? If so, what sort of evidence would you accept in order to believe their god performed the miracles?

And here I am, completely outside ALL religious beliefs, trying to figure out a way for Christians to differentiate their god's miracles, from those of Muslims, Hindus, etc, etc. And all I am given is the same sorts of evidence from all religions for the miracle claims. Bad anecdotal evidence.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
It says it's by John m heffert
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
(August 13, 2017 at 7:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It says it's by John m heffert

Didn't we already deal with that numpty?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
Quote:They're the only ones I am familiar with and learned about in school, etc. But I wouldnt be opposed to the notion of God performing miracles for people of other faiths as well.

Your religion simply can't take credit for another religions miracles
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
(August 13, 2017 at 7:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It says it's by John m heffert

Now I'm mightily interested. Does it have an ISBN number?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
Oh, you mean the author of possessed. Yes, it's that Thomas guy. He has some pictures of the diary in the book too, if I remember correctly.

I recommend the book to anyone who likes scary stories. Even if you don't believe any of it, it's still a really good read.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
indeed Hindus miracles like all the Ganges miracles why would Christian god use a Hindu ritual  to cure people
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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