Damned Muslims

[Minimalist]

Dacia was abandoned but I wouldn't say it was "voluntary." They couldn't hold it.

(Again, this is roughly the same time as the series of military disasters in the east which weakened the army and also the survivors brought back a devastating plague. The late 3d century was a rough time for the Romans.)

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If only Augustus and Tiberius had persisted in straightening the Roman north western frontier to River Elba, Roman defensive posture would have been immeasurable stronger from 180 CE onwards.

BTW, don't know if you saw this but:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germ...20,00.html

The wilds of Germany may not have been off-limits to Roman legions, archaeologists announced on Monday. At a press conference in the woods near the town of Kalefeld, about 100 kilometers south of Hanover, researchers announced the discovery of a battlefield strewn with hundreds of Roman artifacts dating from the 3rd century A.D.

So it would appear that the Romans remained active in Germany but here I agree with Cerrone. A decision was made that the territory was unworthy of conquest and development and the Romans elected to fortify the line of the Rhine. Yet, the above suggests that the Roman military remained interested in events on the far side of the river and perhaps intervened at times to prop up a friendly chief against an unfriendly one. This would have been standard Roman practice to play the barbarians off against one another.

[leo-rcc]

Although completely off-topic I fully enjoyed reading these last posts. Thanks for that. :awesome:

[downbeatplumb]

No. Rome had no trouble maintaining her far-flung empire until the military disasters of the mid 3'd century any more than Britain had trouble maintaining her empire in the days before radio communication. The provincial governors, either imperial or senatorial, had great discretion but as we know from Pliny's correspondence they regularly wrote reports to Rome. Those governors were also rotated frequently.

Well, maybe i shouldve said that if a province wasnt substainable it wouldve ended up being abandoned, as britain eventually was. There'd be no sense in occupying land that wasnt of any economic or military importance afterall.

The reason the Empire was held together up until then was because of the idea of the triumverate, it took the admin pressure off of the roman senate and decentralized governance amongst provincial leaders. It still took a little over a week at the very best for a message from York to reach Rome, and if the governors had to wait 2 weeks to send and receive orders for eveyr facet of administration you can imagine how the empire wouldve been totally unworkable.

But that being said, the empire in the first days of the triumverate was half the size as it was in 300AD, and if the idea of decentralized government wasnt welcomed in the Octavians days it wouldve been desperately needed by Constantines time, else the empire wouldve collapsed.

There is an argument that the instituitioanlisation of christianity directly led to the fall of the western roman empire.

The argument goes like this.

Before the catholic church the way to power for a clever roman was through the legions and conquest, so the brightest and best of rome were expereinced soldiers and generals BUT post Attilla the Hun and the alleged miracles of the pope to avert the crisis(the huns said he just paid them off) the church became an equal path to power and gradually gained more and more power as a rival to the emperor so the brightest and best no longer went into the military but into the church. Slowly eroding both the military prowess and the quality of the emperors.

So that when a crisis came in the form of eastern europeans displaced by the mongols the empires miltary had been left to atrophy.

[Minimalist]

In the interests of not merely picking on the jesus freaks it is time to revive this thread.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/glend...ghter.html

Faleh Hassan Almaleki was either a devoted father who made a reckless mistake that left his daughter dead, or a man who plotted to kill the young woman he said disgraced his family.

A Maricopa County Superior Court jury in the coming weeks must decide which description fits. The trial of Almaleki, an Iraqi immigrant who lived in Glendale, began with opening statements on Monday.

[thesummerqueen]

I saw an article about this just after it happened, but with less conclusive information. I can't even begin to express how sick to my stomach this makes me.

[Minimalist]

In large stretches of the islamic world they would give the mother-fucker a medal.

[Rayaan]

Initial reports described it as an honor killing, or a murder for not adhering to the family's values. Peoria police said they heard from those who knew the family that Noor wasn't abiding by Iraqi traditions and was becoming Westernized.

That's one of the stupidest excuses that I've heard. A medal from me? Never.

[Minimalist]

And the beat(ing) goes on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ousin.html

A teenager whipped to death in Bangladesh for having a relationship with a married man was allegedly raped by her cousin, it has emerged.

Four Islamic clerics were arrested this week for ordering Mosammet Hena, 14, to receive 100 lashes in a fatwa or religious edict at a village in the south-western Shariatpur district.

It has now been reported that the teenage girl was raped by her married cousin and then accused of having an affair with him.

[Minimalist]

Guilty.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic...i0223.html

A Maricopa County Superior Court jury on Tuesday found an Iraqi immigrant guilty of running down his daughter and another woman in a Peoria parking lot in October 2009.

Faleh Hassan Al-Maleki was found guilty of second-degree murder for killing his daughter Noor, 20, and of aggravated assault for injuring her boyfriend's mother, Amal Khalaf, 41. He was also found guilty of two counts of leaving the scene of a fatal or injury accident.

[Autumnlicious]

Good. I hope, for once, Arizonan justice is final and long term.

Let this creep worship all while getting buttfucked by Bubba in the slammer.