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RE: Damned Muslims
July 19, 2020 at 10:59 am
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FYI @ Porcupine the word/derogatory label "bigotry" makes zero sense. For example, if you're a Democrat who thinks people shouldn't vote Republican, you're a bigot, or if you think murderers/rapists/pedophiles shouldn't commit murder/rape/pedophilia, you're a bigot. Oh, you might say, but bigots have to be unreasonable - well then, I ask you, who is the judge of that which is unreasonable. Bigotry as a label can go fuck itself (pun intended).
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RE: Damned Muslims
July 19, 2020 at 1:23 pm
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The fact you immediately compare those things to Muslims is a red flag. If unreasonable is simply an opinion then your proclaiming anything to be reasonable which means comment can simply be dismissed as unreasonable .
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RE: Damned Muslims
July 19, 2020 at 1:26 pm
(July 19, 2020 at 10:47 am)Porcupine Wrote: (July 17, 2020 at 8:59 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Nope. We also have "damned Christians", "damned Jews", and "damned atheists" threads.
So being bigoted about three groups of people cancels it all out into non-bigotry? 
It's not bigotry. It's criticising members within the specified groups.
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RE: Damned Muslims
July 19, 2020 at 2:24 pm
(July 19, 2020 at 1:26 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (July 19, 2020 at 10:47 am)Porcupine Wrote: So being bigoted about three groups of people cancels it all out into non-bigotry?
It's not bigotry. It's criticising members within the specified groups. True
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RE: Damned Muslims
July 24, 2020 at 9:31 am
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(July 19, 2020 at 10:59 am)Lawz Wrote: FYI @Porcupine the word/derogatory label "bigotry" makes zero sense. For example, if you're a Democrat who thinks people shouldn't vote Republican, you're a bigot, or if you think murderers/rapists/pedophiles shouldn't commit murder/rape/pedophilia, you're a bigot. Oh, you might say, but bigots have to be unreasonable - well then, I ask you, who is the judge of that which is unreasonable. Bigotry as a label can go fuck itself (pun intended).
Just because a label is subjective doesn't mean it doesn't have utility for subjects.
(July 19, 2020 at 1:26 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (July 19, 2020 at 10:47 am)Porcupine Wrote: So being bigoted about three groups of people cancels it all out into non-bigotry?
It's not bigotry. It's criticising members within the specified groups.
That's alright, then. I guess the answer to "Does anybody else find this bigoted?" was "no", then. Seemed like it was pointing at individuals in order to generalize certain undesirable characteristics to a whole group, to me. Which would be bigotry. But maybe that isn't what was being done. Knowing the intention of others is not my specialty. I just go by my own interpretations just like everybody else does.
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RE: Damned Muslims
July 24, 2020 at 9:34 am
(July 19, 2020 at 10:47 am)Porcupine Wrote: (July 17, 2020 at 8:59 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Nope. We also have "damned Christians", "damned Jews", and "damned atheists" threads.
So being bigoted about three groups of people cancels it all out into non-bigotry?
Being critical of the stupid things people in general say or do doesn't become bigotry just because you classify the flavors of stupidity.
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RE: Damned Muslims
July 24, 2020 at 9:38 am
(July 24, 2020 at 9:34 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: (July 19, 2020 at 10:47 am)Porcupine Wrote: So being bigoted about three groups of people cancels it all out into non-bigotry?
Being critical of the stupid things people in general say or do doesn't become bigotry just because you classify the flavors of stupidity.
Yes.
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RE: Damned Muslims
July 24, 2020 at 4:07 pm
Islamically a woman must obey the commands of her husband when he demands sex. This is why the concept of marital rape isn't acknowledged in Islam.
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RE: Damned Muslims
July 25, 2020 at 4:14 am
(July 24, 2020 at 4:07 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Islamically a woman must obey the commands of her husband when he demands sex. This is why the concept of marital rape isn't acknowledged in Islam.
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The similarities between the hardliners in the abrahamic faiths outweigh the differences. I predict that by the end of the century, fundamentalist muslims, jews and christians will formally ally just like the fundagelocals and the opus dei crowd in the US. And for the same reason, a rapidly eroding position and base of believers.
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RE: Damned Muslims
July 25, 2020 at 4:59 am
(July 24, 2020 at 4:07 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Islamically a woman must obey the commands of her husband when he demands sex. This is why the concept of marital rape isn't acknowledged in Islam.
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Actually men aren't allowed to use violence to get sex . If they do she's allowed to take him to court . Now many Muslim nations don't follow this but it's there .
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