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RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
August 22, 2017 at 9:50 am
(August 22, 2017 at 9:19 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: (August 22, 2017 at 8:23 am)Little Rik Wrote: This is really a sad story for the atheist cause.
Atheists that suppose to be the most open mind people around show once again that they are as bad as those religious fanatics that take a guess as a golden truth and therefore creating a dogma.
In the past few weeks some atheists said that the peak of evolution or the ultimate in evolution is being a human.
When I did asked to show the evidence someone reply with a direct swearing to me.
I really can not see any difference between a religious fanatic that only believe in creation or that there is the hell and an atheist that go around saying that the peak of evolution or that the ultimate in evolution is being a human.
None of whatsoever.
NDEs already show that being a human is not the peak of existence beside to understand that concept you don't need a big brain or even the NDEs.
Just look around and see how it is difficult to find peace of mind and permanent happiness.
How on earth can a human being that hasn't yet overcome his-her own personal problem can say that he or she is at the top of the evolution cycle?
It would be like to say that a vehicle that go from point A to point B has reached point B before point B has been reached.
How on earth can someone be so sure to have reached the peak of evolution well before he-she hasn't sort out his-her own problems.
Absurd. 
More of this? Are you capable of talking about anything else besides NDE's and your incorrect understanding of what Atheism is?
You really are a one trick pony, Rick. Except...it's not a trick, it's a freak show. And the pony is mentally retarded.
Ive been a member here for almost two years now and you are still drawing off of the same tired, broken-down script. I don't know old you are, but life is short dude. Go out and spend some time with your family. Read a book. Go for a walk. You're wasting your time here. This is not an enriching endeavor for you, or any of us.
Sure, life is short but as far as there are other lives to live then who cares?
And what about the eternity?
That life is short is a problem for those who build the dogma that there is only one life to live not for me. 
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RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
August 22, 2017 at 9:51 am
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(August 22, 2017 at 9:29 am)Little Rik Wrote: (August 22, 2017 at 9:06 am)Alex K Wrote: There simply is no concept of hierarchy or an ascension to a higher state of being in the theory of evolution, no teleology. Only branches of species who evolve or go extinct according the the environment *at that particular time*. That's why the idea that we are the pinnacle of evolution is nonsense.
Forget the hierarchy and the teleology concept which don't make sense but the belief that.............There simply is no concept of an ascension to a higher state of being in the theory of evolution?
Who told you that once our body die is all over and a higher state can not be reached?
If the concept of the evolution that you believe in stop short at the human level then is an evolution that hasn't reach the peak of human emancipation and therefore is worthless.
(August 22, 2017 at 9:21 am)Brian37 Wrote: Funny how scientists never conduct experiments on live humans by decapitating their heads. If surviving death were possible then such an experiment would be possible.
Hate to burst your bubble but you are nothing more than your brain in motion. No activity beyond that narrow window, you do not come back, which is why you will never see a decapitated human come back.
Why on earth......... a decapitated human would come back in the same human form?
Have you ever seen a wreck come back as it was before?
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Everything get recycled and a new body can born out the old one beside energy and consciousness never die.
I guess you never thought about that Brian, did you? 
HELLO MCFLY!
We don't come back in any form! You won't come back as a frog either. You die and that is it, the end. It will feel the same as prior to when you were born.
You wont come back as a unicorn, or newt or Yoda either. YOU DIE and that is it. I know that bothers you, and I feel sorry that someone sold you a fictional utopia that does not exist, but that is your baggage not ours. Nobody is out to get you for pointing out reality. Funny how you reject a Muslim's version of an afterlife or a Hindu's version of an afterlife.
Our atoms moving onto other things DOES NOT MEAN that a single atom can retain the consciousness of an entire functional in tact human brain. You are stupidly trying to treat the car tire as being the entire car after the engine has blown up. Once your brain is damaged beyond repair, the individual parts will not work.
There is no afterlife just like there is no pre life, there is just life between birth and death. Atoms have to build up to life for your body to fully function, and after your brain dies, it is no different than blowing a rod in a car engine beyond repair, the car will not function.
I am sorry reality isn't romantic or sexy enough for you, but this is it, you only get one life.
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RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
August 22, 2017 at 9:52 am
(August 22, 2017 at 9:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sure, life is short but as far as there are other lives to live then who cares?
And what about the eternity?
That life is short is a problem for those who build the dogma that there is only one life to live not for me.
Ah but a short life is like a duck in a stream while eternity is like a crocodile with a handbag.
Live your life as if you were a crocoduck.
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RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
August 22, 2017 at 9:54 am
(August 22, 2017 at 9:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sure, life is short but as far as there are other lives to live then who cares?
And what about the eternity?
That life is short is a problem for those who build the dogma that there is only one life to live not for me.
Will you spend your next life making a fool of yourself on internet message boards as well?
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RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
August 22, 2017 at 9:56 am
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RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
August 22, 2017 at 9:58 am
(August 22, 2017 at 9:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: (August 22, 2017 at 8:51 am)Alex K Wrote: Those were obviously stupid atheists who don't understand evolution then. But that's what you have us for: smart atheists who understand evolution!
This must be the joke of the week Alex. 
How on hell can you understand evolution when you think that with the physical death is all over?
Can you see a dead consciousness next to these bodies?
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You really are a "life's too short" kinda guy. As in life's too short to talk to you.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
August 22, 2017 at 10:03 am
(August 22, 2017 at 9:45 am)Mathilda Wrote: (August 22, 2017 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: How do you know that .......There is no peak of evolution.........
Have you got any evidence to back your statement? 
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.100...9496-5_300
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_...l_evidence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
What a load o'crap Mat.
How on hell so many atheists can be so dumb to believe that evolution is only related to the survival factor and not to the expansion of the consciousness.
How on hell can you guys think that it is the physical part that drive the evolution?
Since when the body tell the consciousness what to do?
Get real fools.
It is the other way around.
Does your computer tell you what to do or is YOU that tell the computer to do this or that.
Are you that fool Mat that live in that fantasy world?
Wake up and grow up dreamer.
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RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
August 22, 2017 at 10:07 am
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(August 22, 2017 at 10:03 am)Little Rik Wrote: (August 22, 2017 at 9:45 am)Mathilda Wrote: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.100...9496-5_300
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_...l_evidence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
What a load o'crap Mat.
How on hell so many atheists can be so dumb to believe that evolution is only related to the survival factor and not to the expansion of the consciousness.
How on hell can you guys think that it is the physical part that drive the evolution?
Since when the body tell the consciousness what to do?
Get real fools.
It is the other way around.
Does your computer tell you what to do or is YOU that tell the computer to do this or that.
Are you that fool Mat that live in that fantasy world?
Wake up and grow up dreamer.
You didn't even read any of it did you. Demonstrate to me that you actually understood it.
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RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
August 22, 2017 at 10:10 am
(August 22, 2017 at 9:51 am)Brian37 Wrote: We don't come back in any form! You won't come back as a frog either. You die and that is it, the end. It will feel the same as prior to when you were born.
You wont come back as a unicorn, or newt or Yoda either. YOU DIE and that is it. I know that bothers you, and I feel sorry that someone sold you a fictional utopia that does not exist, but that is your baggage not ours. Nobody is out to get you for pointing out reality. Funny how you reject a Muslim's version of an afterlife or a Hindu's version of an afterlife.
Our atoms moving onto other things DOES NOT MEAN that a single atom can retain the consciousness of an entire functional in tact human brain. You are stupidly trying to treat the car tire as being the entire car after the engine has blown up. Once your brain is damaged beyond repair, the individual parts will not work.
There is no afterlife just like there is no pre life, there is just life between birth and death. Atoms have to build up to life for your body to fully function, and after your brain dies, it is no different than blowing a rod in a car engine beyond repair, the car will not function.
I am sorry reality isn't romantic or sexy enough for you, but this is it, you only get one life.
Evidence son, evidence please. 
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RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
August 22, 2017 at 10:11 am
(August 22, 2017 at 10:03 am)Little Rik Wrote: (August 22, 2017 at 9:45 am)Mathilda Wrote: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.100...9496-5_300
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_...l_evidence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
What a load o'crap Mat.
How on hell so many atheists can be so dumb to believe that evolution is only related to the survival factor and not to the expansion of the consciousness.
How on hell can you guys think that it is the physical part that drive the evolution?
Since when the body tell the consciousness what to do?
Get real fools.
It is the other way around.
Does your computer tell you what to do or is YOU that tell the computer to do this or that.
Are you that fool Mat that live in that fantasy world?
Wake up and grow up dreamer.
I am not recommending you do the following because I know you will die and your consciousness wont survive you.
You are delusional because if you really believed you survive yourself then you would have no problem testing that nonsense theory by blowing your own head off. NOW AGAIN, PLEASE DONT DO THAT because you would die!
You get one life, that is is it. You are not the product of a fictional cosmic factory boss.
Have you aver killed a spider or cockroach? Do you think they get an afterlife like you want to believe you do? How about a bacteria, those are living things too?
It is nonsense. It is merely nothing more than a reflection of your own desire based on someone selling you that garbage long ago before you could develop critical thinking skills.
I feel sorry for you that you are wasting your life on mere wishful thinking, instead of valuing the one life you have.
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