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One more dogma to add to the rest.
#31
RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
(August 22, 2017 at 10:11 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(August 22, 2017 at 10:03 am)Little Rik Wrote: What a load o'crap Mat.
How on hell so many atheists can be so dumb to believe that evolution is only related to the survival factor and not to the expansion of the consciousness.
How on hell can you guys think that it is the physical part that drive the evolution?
Since when the body tell the consciousness what to do?
Get real fools.
It is the other way around.
Does your computer tell you what to do or is YOU that tell the computer to do this or that.
Are you that fool Mat that live in that fantasy world?
Wake up and grow up dreamer.  Bird

I am not recommending you do the following because I know you will die and your consciousness wont survive you.

You are delusional because if you really believed you survive yourself then you would have no problem testing that nonsense theory by blowing your own head off. NOW AGAIN, PLEASE DONT DO THAT because you would die!

You get one life, that is is it. You are not the product of a fictional cosmic factory boss. 

Have you aver killed a spider or cockroach? Do you think they get an afterlife like you want to believe you do? How about a bacteria, those are living things too? 

It is nonsense. It is merely nothing more than a reflection of your own desire based on someone selling you that garbage long ago before you could develop critical thinking skills.

I feel sorry for you that you are wasting your life on mere wishful thinking, instead of valuing the one life you have.


Even bacteria got a consciousness.
Certainly not as a developed one as us human but one for sure.
Without it there is no life.
You just can not have a form of life with no consciousness and as far as the consciousness and energy can not be destroyed you can be sure that even a bacteria that die will live again in a different form.

Fail again mate.  Indubitably
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#32
RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
(August 22, 2017 at 10:10 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(August 22, 2017 at 9:51 am)Brian37 Wrote: We don't come back in any form! You won't come back as a frog either. You die and that is it, the end. It will feel the same as prior to when you were born.

You wont come back as a unicorn, or newt or Yoda either. YOU DIE and that is it. I know that bothers you, and I feel sorry that someone sold you a fictional utopia that does not exist, but that is your baggage not ours. Nobody is out to get you for pointing out reality. Funny how you reject a Muslim's version of an afterlife or a Hindu's version of an afterlife.

Our atoms moving onto other things DOES NOT MEAN that a single atom can retain the consciousness of an entire functional in tact human brain. You are stupidly trying to treat the car tire as being the entire car after the engine has blown up. Once your brain is damaged beyond repair, the individual parts will not work.

There is no afterlife just like there is no pre life, there is just life between birth and death. Atoms have to build up to life for your body to fully function, and after your brain dies, it is no different than blowing a rod in a car engine beyond repair, the car will not function.

I am sorry reality isn't romantic or sexy enough for you, but this is it, you only get one life.


Evidence son, evidence please.  Shy

Neurodegenerative diseases.

Anesthetic.

And narcotics.

These would not have the effect that they do if it was anything other than neurons solely responsible for intelligence and consciousness.

If you have a soul, explain how it is affected by alcohol.
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#33
RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
(August 22, 2017 at 10:07 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(August 22, 2017 at 10:03 am)Little Rik Wrote: What a load o'crap Mat.
How on hell so many atheists can be so dumb to believe that evolution is only related to the survival factor and not to the expansion of the consciousness.
How on hell can you guys think that it is the physical part that drive the evolution?
Since when the body tell the consciousness what to do?
Get real fools.
It is the other way around.
Does your computer tell you what to do or is YOU that tell the computer to do this or that.
Are you that fool Mat that live in that fantasy world?
Wake up and grow up dreamer.  Bird

You didn't even read any of it did you. Demonstrate to me that you actually understood it.


It is all about survival Mat.
Nothing really new.
Unfortunately Darwin and other only studied plants and animals not human beings.
There is an enormous difference between lower form of life and human life.

Lower form of life are driven by instinct while humans have the free will so by studying only lower form of life and their survival the evolutionary cycle is incomplete and people who follow only the evolutionary cycle of lower form of life understand next to nothing.
You are one of them Mat.  Banghead
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#34
RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
So basically you'll ignore anything that is said to you and won't even bother saying anything new. It is therefore pointless talking to you.
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#35
RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
(August 22, 2017 at 10:22 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(August 22, 2017 at 10:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: Evidence son, evidence please.  Shy

Neurodegenerative diseases.

Anesthetic.

And narcotics.

These would not have the effect that they do if it was anything other than neurons solely responsible for intelligence and consciousness.

If you have a soul, explain how it is affected by alcohol.

EDIT, I was addressing Rik. 

Those neurons will not function and will die when the brain is damaged beyond repair. Just like if you take a jellyfish out of water and let it dry out in the hot sun. IT WILL DIE.

Again , just because you can take a car part off of one car and put it on another, does not mean that individual part constitutes the entire original in tact engine. Blow the engine up, the individual parts do not function like the in tact car. PERIOD.

There is no such thing as a soul. Your brain is affected by alcohol for purely chemical reasons, not magical bullshit or superstition or sky wizards.

There are tons of steps you are ignoring and you are merely plopping in "poof" as a starting point.

Evolution, goes from atom, to molecules of amino acids, to DNA, to organism, to organs then to species, then to consciousness based on species. Otherwise if all it took were atoms alone then bacteria have souls too. 

The neurons in your brain only work in conjunction with a healthy brain, the more damaged your brain is, the less function your brain has. Stop all motion in your brain long enough, YOU DIE and those individual neurons die with it. You are nothing more than your brain in motion, once your brain dies, you die, no more you.
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#36
RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
(August 22, 2017 at 10:22 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(August 22, 2017 at 10:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: Evidence son, evidence please.  Shy

Neurodegenerative diseases.

Anesthetic.

And narcotics.

These would not have the effect that they do if it was anything other than neurons solely responsible for intelligence and consciousness.

If you have a soul, explain how it is affected by alcohol.


Your confusion is out of control Mat.

Humans have the free will so whatever we do affect us in the good or the bad.
We are stuck inside a body so it is obvious that we have to put up with that and if we take the wrong decision we suffer.
Our consciousness lose and it fade away according to the damage that we have done.
Also the opposite happen if we do the right thing.
In this case our consciousness gain and become stronger.  Lightbulb
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#37
RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
(August 22, 2017 at 10:47 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(August 22, 2017 at 10:22 am)Mathilda Wrote: Neurodegenerative diseases.

Anesthetic.

And narcotics.

These would not have the effect that they do if it was anything other than neurons solely responsible for intelligence and consciousness.

If you have a soul, explain how it is affected by alcohol.


Your confusion is out of control Mat.

Humans have the free will so whatever we do affect us in the good or the bad.
We are stuck inside a body so it is obvious that we have to put up with that and if we take the wrong decision we suffer.
Our consciousness lose and it fade away according to the damage that we have done.
Also the opposite happen if we do the right thing.
In this case our consciousness gain and become stronger.  Lightbulb

Humans do have choices in life, but there is no sky hero vs super villain battling over the neurons in your brain as if you are a poker chip. 

I am an atheist, but I have no violent felonies, haven't even had a speeding ticket since 1999. How is it I can avoid harming others then if I don't buy you sky hero claims? 

Here's how, because I am not making bets on fictional super heros, and I accept because of my own natural empathy that life goes better when you don't harm others. I don't need an old book of mythology to tell me not to hurt other humans.
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#38
RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
Well now wait a minute, just a minute ago you told us consciousness could never be destroyed, but now it "lose and fade away", purportedly, depending on whether or not we follow your gurus advice and/or how many dogs we kick.

Just trying to get some clarity here, it would be horrible if my indestructible consciousness was somehow.....destroyed.
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#39
RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
(August 22, 2017 at 8:23 am)Little Rik Wrote: I really can not see any difference between a religious fanatic that only believe in creation or that there is the hell and an atheist that go around saying that the peak of evolution or that the ultimate in evolution is being a human.
None of whatsoever.

One is non-sense and one is based on evidence.

It's obvious which pill you took.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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#40
RE: One more dogma to add to the rest.
(August 22, 2017 at 11:28 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:
(August 22, 2017 at 8:23 am)Little Rik Wrote: I really can not see any difference between a religious fanatic that only believe in creation or that there is the hell and an atheist that go around saying that the peak of evolution or that the ultimate in evolution is being a human.
None of whatsoever.

One is non-sense and one is based on evidence.

It's obvious which pill you took.

This is where the theist confuses "atheist" with evolution. "atheist" is actually a separate issue than evolution. Evolution is the scientific study of how life changes over long periods of time. "atheist" strictly addresses one claim, that of god/s.

The other mistake Rik is making here is that evolution DOES NOT CLAIM that humans are the apex of life, but merely one species among many. When scientists say humans have more developed brains, that does not mean we are an apex, merely that we have different adaptations as a species. Other life is better adapt to do other things. Like bacteria and cockroaches are better and faster at reproduction than humans and they have been far more successful than humans. 

It is actually the opposite with humans when it comes to religion. Theist get taught that they are the top of the chain and that a divine power gave them dominion over all other life. The problem with this mentality is that it teaches us to abuse our environments because there is an afterlife so who cares what we do now.

Evolution as a science says that all life lives in an ecosystem that we share, and when one aspect of that system gets out of balance it affects the rest of the life in that ecosystem.

So when the theist cannot defend claims of magic and poof, they attack scientific method to falsely vilify it. The irony is that they do so while using computers, the product of scientific method.
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