Who Says

[Anomalocaris]

So many atheists, so little time to troll (sigh)

Looks like you need to revert to living under bridges full time.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Until someone can show that one certain animal became something else evolution has no leg to stand on.

Only religious people say that's what evolution is. Scientists don't. You're not going to convince anyone if you rely on strawman arguments.

How many times do we have to say that information can not be added to DNA.

Yeah but each time you say it, you're wrong. Mutations add information. If they didn't do this then my genetic algorithms would not be as useful.

It really strikes me funny when evolutionist believe the chicken in the back yard was once a meat eating dino.

It really strikes me funny that theists believe that Jesus was an alien with tentacles that sucked out the brains of Roman soldiers. See how strawman arguments are a waste of time? Birds descended from dinosaurs. Chickens were never dinosaurs, otherwise they would be dinosaurs, not chickens.

Maybe you should learn what evolution is before arguing against it,

[Harry Nevis]

So many atheists, so little time to troll (sigh)

Kudos.  The first step is admitting it.

[Mister Agenda]

Until someone can show that one certain animal became something else evolution has no leg to stand on.

GC, your understanding of evolution is so poor that you cite something that would disprove evolution if it happened as what it would take for you to believe evolution is true.

One more time. No organism becomes another organism. No organism spawns another organism that isn't the same species as the parent organism, or a hybrid if the parents are different species. But the offspring are not exactly like the parents, each one is a little different due to genetic mixing and mutations. These variations are inheritable. If a variation favorably affects an organism's chance of reproducing, that variation will become more common. If a variation unfavorably affects an organism's chance of reproducing, that variation will become less common. Over hundreds or thousands of generations, an organism's descendants can come to be quite different from their ancestors if the reproductive success environment changes, or remain much the same if the reproductive success environment remains much the same. But even then, though the descendants superficially remain similar, after enough generations genetic drift will have made the descendants so genetically dissimilar that they would not be able to successfully interbreed with one of their remote ancestors. This kind of change (genetic drift) is almost impossible to detect in the fossil record, but genes tell the story.

Another story genes tell is of endogenous retroviruses. This is when a virus's DNA is incorporated into the germ line of the host species, which mean that until the forces of selection and drift eliminate it or sufficiently alter it, it acts as a foolproof marker of lines of descent. There's literally no other reasonable explanation for two organisms to have the same viral DNA in the same location unless they are in the same line of descent. This is the genetic smoking gun for evolution. Retroviral DNA provides markers that allow us to measure the degree of relationship between species based on how many of these markers they have in common. The more markers in common, the closer the relationship. You will have many of the same retroviral markers as your parents, for instance. Endogenous retroviruses comprise around 5% of the human genome. We have more of these 'viral fossils' in common with chimpanzees than gorillas, indicating a more recent common ancestor. Again, there is literally no other reason than common descent for us to have the same retroviral insertions in the same places as apes do (and fewer with monkeys, and fewer with lemurs, and so forth).

Before you decide what it would take to convince you that the modern synthesis is the most likely available scientific explanation for the development and diversity of life, you should understand what it is actually saying. Any 'evolution tree' you've seen is necessarily grossly oversimplified, leaving out thousands of gradual intermediate steps, separations and re-joinings, and countless 'branches and twigs'.

If you showed the Bible the same level of skepticism you direct at biology, you'd not only be an atheist, you'd be the 'the Bible is all fake' kind.

[Thumpalumpacus]

To the rest of you, I've said what I know and will not discuss this with you, to many post that would get us nowhere, you have your beliefs and I have mine, 'nough said.

GC

Yes, you're right; what you've said is unconvincing, and you don't understand what the facts say about the world because you lack the education to put them together and draw an appropriate conclusion. Plugging your ears and shouting "lalalalalalalala" is probably the only option left to you.

[Ravenshire]

Ok. I think I've found the root of GC's problems with evolution. He obviously got his science education in Kansas.

[drfuzzy]

Quiz for Students in Kansas Public Schools 
by Lloyd Fricker 

from BioMedNet 

The recent decision by the Kansas Board of Education to ban the teaching of evolution and anything else that disagrees with creationist views has left many people wondering, What will they teach in science classes? It's also left a few people wondering, Was this group the Board of Education or the Bored of Education? Well, we've obtained an authentic copy of a science test to be given to ninth graders in Kansas. As you can see from the following test, they do mention evolution and natural selection. Answers are given at the end. 


Quiz for Students in Kansas Public Schools 

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1. How much time did it take for the creation of the universe and all the plants and animals? 

(a) 5 days. 
(b) 6 days. 
© 7 days. 
(d) 40 days and 40 nights. 
See answer 

2. All heavenly bodies revolve around: 

(a) the earth. 
(b) the moon. 
© Kansas. 
(d) the Kansas Board of Education. 
See answer 

3. The first humans were called: 

(a) Homo erectus. 
(b) Homo eroticus. 
© Adam and Eve. 
(d) Fred, Wilma, Betty, and Barney. 
See answer 

4. Charles Darwin was a bad person because: 

(a) he didn't believe in the Bible 
(b) he studied the clergy for two years but dropped out to go on a 
5-year cruise. 
© he married his cousin. 
(d) all of the above. 
See answer 

5. Natural selection is: 

(a) hair coloring. 
(b) a brand of granola. 
© an organic grocery store in Topeka, Kansas. 
(d) an herbal alternative to a drug. 
See answer 


6. The biggest problem with the theory of evolution is that it: 

(a) contradicts the word of G-d. 
(b) takes too long. 
© doesn't explain the existence of good and evil. 
(d) all of the above. 
See answer 


7. The Big Bang is: 

(a) another name for the celebration of Independence Day. 
(b) a Mafiosi expression meaning "to kill someone." 
© a pornographic movie. 
(d) all of the above. 
See answer 

8. The age of the universe is: 

(a) 7 days. 
(b) 40 days and 40 nights. 
© 6,000 years. 
(d) all of the above. 
See answer 

9. People who don't believe in the Bible's view of Creation are called: 

(a) heathen scum. 
(b) the devil's helpers. 
© scientists. 
(d) all of the above. 
See answer 

10.Write a 2 page essay on "How we know the Earth is flat." See answer 




Answers: 
1. (a) It took 5 days for the creation of the universe and all the plants and animals. If you answered "b" (6 days), you were probably thinking of the time it took to create the universe, the plants, the animals, and the people. 
See question 

2. (a) All heavenly bodies revolve around the Earth. If you answered Kansas, you were partially right since Kansas is the center of the Earth. 
See question 

3. © The first humans were called Adam and Eve. If you answered "d" you've been watching too much TV. If you answered "a" or "b" you should wash your mouth out with soap. 
See question 

4. (d) Charles Darwin was a bad person because of many things. He was basically a rotten evil person. 
See question 

5. (d) Natural selection is the term used when someone chooses a herbal medicine over a drug made by Satan-worshipping scientists. 
See question 

6. (d) The problem with the theory of evolution is all of the above: it contradicts eyewitness reports of God, who was the only one present at the time of creation. It also takes too long and doesn't explain why there would be good and evil. 
See question 

7. (a) The Big Bang is another term for a Fourth of July party. If you answered "c," we will notify your parents. 
See question 

8. © The age of the universe is 6,000 years. If you answered "d" (all of the above), you are logic-impaired and need to take remedial math classes. 
See question 

9. (d) People who don't believe in the Bible's description of Creation are called many bad names including heathen scum, the devil's helpers, and scientists. These names all mean the same thing. 
See question 

10. The answers will vary for this essay question on "how we know the Earth is flat", but all should include the following points: 
See question 

(a) It's the way it's described in the ancient teachings. 
(b) Columbus was mistaken in thinking he'd sailed to India - it was really just some islands off the coast of America. 
© The earth sure looks flat in Kansas. 

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[Amarok]

To the rest of you, I've said what I know and will not discuss this with you, to many post that would get us nowhere, you have your beliefs and I have mine, 'nough said.

Nope we have our facts ,evidence and reason

You have your bullshit your pretend  is on par

There is no similarity or equality to be found

[Whateverist]

Quiz for Students in Kansas Public Schools 
by Lloyd Fricker 

from BioMedNet 

The recent decision by the Kansas Board of Education to ban the teaching of evolution and anything else that disagrees with creationist views has left many people wondering, What will they teach in science classes? It's also left a few people wondering, Was this group the Board of Education or the Bored of Education? Well, we've obtained an authentic copy of a science test to be given to ninth graders in Kansas. As you can see from the following test, they do mention evolution and natural selection. Answers are given at the end. 


Quiz for Students in Kansas Public Schools 

---

1. How much time did it take for the creation of the universe and all the plants and animals? 

(a) 5 days. 
(b) 6 days. 
© 7 days. 
(d) 40 days and 40 nights. 
See answer 

2. All heavenly bodies revolve around: 

(a) the earth. 
(b) the moon. 
© Kansas. 
(d) the Kansas Board of Education. 
See answer 

3. The first humans were called: 

(a) Homo erectus. 
(b) Homo eroticus. 
© Adam and Eve. 
(d) Fred, Wilma, Betty, and Barney. 
See answer 

4. Charles Darwin was a bad person because: 

(a) he didn't believe in the Bible 
(b) he studied the clergy for two years but dropped out to go on a 
5-year cruise. 
© he married his cousin. 
(d) all of the above. 
See answer 

5. Natural selection is: 

(a) hair coloring. 
(b) a brand of granola. 
© an organic grocery store in Topeka, Kansas. 
(d) an herbal alternative to a drug. 
See answer 


6. The biggest problem with the theory of evolution is that it: 

(a) contradicts the word of G-d. 
(b) takes too long. 
© doesn't explain the existence of good and evil. 
(d) all of the above. 
See answer 


7. The Big Bang is: 

(a) another name for the celebration of Independence Day. 
(b) a Mafiosi expression meaning "to kill someone." 
© a pornographic movie. 
(d) all of the above. 
See answer 

8. The age of the universe is: 

(a) 7 days. 
(b) 40 days and 40 nights. 
© 6,000 years. 
(d) all of the above. 
See answer 

9. People who don't believe in the Bible's view of Creation are called: 

(a) heathen scum. 
(b) the devil's helpers. 
© scientists. 
(d) all of the above. 
See answer 

10.Write a 2 page essay on "How we know the Earth is flat." See answer 




Answers: 
1. (a) It took 5 days for the creation of the universe and all the plants and animals. If you answered "b" (6 days), you were probably thinking of the time it took to create the universe, the plants, the animals, and the people. 
See question 

2. (a) All heavenly bodies revolve around the Earth. If you answered Kansas, you were partially right since Kansas is the center of the Earth. 
See question 

3. © The first humans were called Adam and Eve. If you answered "d" you've been watching too much TV. If you answered "a" or "b" you should wash your mouth out with soap. 
See question 

4. (d) Charles Darwin was a bad person because of many things. He was basically a rotten evil person. 
See question 

5. (d) Natural selection is the term used when someone chooses a herbal medicine over a drug made by Satan-worshipping scientists. 
See question 

6. (d) The problem with the theory of evolution is all of the above: it contradicts eyewitness reports of God, who was the only one present at the time of creation. It also takes too long and doesn't explain why there would be good and evil. 
See question 

7. (a) The Big Bang is another term for a Fourth of July party. If you answered "c," we will notify your parents. 
See question 

8. © The age of the universe is 6,000 years. If you answered "d" (all of the above), you are logic-impaired and need to take remedial math classes. 
See question 

9. (d) People who don't believe in the Bible's description of Creation are called many bad names including heathen scum, the devil's helpers, and scientists. These names all mean the same thing. 
See question 

10. The answers will vary for this essay question on "how we know the Earth is flat", but all should include the following points: 
See question 

(a) It's the way it's described in the ancient teachings. 
(b) Columbus was mistaken in thinking he'd sailed to India - it was really just some islands off the coast of America. 
© The earth sure looks flat in Kansas. 

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I did okay on your quiz and my mouth has never been cleaner.

[Amarok]

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