Is Anne Frank in Hell?

[Crossless2.0]

Your husband is correct.

So, Catholics cherry pick out John 3:16?

Please explain...

I'm going with something having to do with post-mortem buyer's remorse.

[Catholic_Lady]

Your husband is correct.

So, Catholics cherry pick out John 3:16?

Please explain...

Catholics are not sola scriptura. The authority of the Church comes before the bible. I have explained this many times.

[Crossless2.0]

So, Catholics cherry pick out John 3:16?

Please explain...

Catholics are not sola scriptura. The authority of the Church comes before the bible. I have explained this many times.

So a flawed and fallible institution that flourishes by proclaiming a "truth" (a.k.a. selling an imaginary product) vs. the flawed and fallible source material on which it rests its supposed authority.

Meh. Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other and all of it reeking of dishonesty.

[Jehanne]

So, Catholics cherry pick out John 3:16?

Please explain...

Catholics are not sola scriptura. The authority of the Church comes before the bible. I have explained this many times.

It firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the catholic church.  (Council of Florence, SESSION 11 4 February 1442)

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/ecum17.htm

Conclusion:  Anne Frank is in eternal Hell, per the "authority" of the Catholic Church.

[Catholic_Lady]

As per usual, Jehanne in his complete ignorance of Catholicism is spewing incorrect information.

That was written in the year 1442 and was never proclaimed as dogmatic teaching. As I said and will say again, the revised consensus as of Vatican II is that a person need not be Catholic or even Christian while in this life to go to Heaven. But you can continue to pretend you know more about my faith than I do.

[vorlon13]

As per usual, Jehanne in his complete ignorance of Catholicism is spewing incorrect information.  

That was written in the year 1442 and was never proclaimed as dogmatic teaching. As I said and will say again, the revised consensus as of Vatican II is that a person need not be Catholic or even Christian while in this life to go to Heaven. But you can continue to pretend you know more about my faith than I do.

That's kind of a big thing to change, isn't it ??

Was the church wrong before, or are they wrong now?? (and I am going to [redacted] if they are deemed to have been correct either way since people were executed under the prior policy)

[Catholic_Lady]

As per usual, Jehanne in his complete ignorance of Catholicism is spewing incorrect information.  

That was written in the year 1442 and was never proclaimed as dogmatic teaching. As I said and will say again, the revised consensus as of Vatican II is that a person need not be Catholic or even Christian while in this life to go to Heaven. But you can continue to pretend you know more about my faith than I do.

That's kind of a big thing to change, isn't it ??

Was the church wrong before, or are they wrong now??  (and I am going to [redacted] if they are deemed to have been correct either way since people were executed under the prior policy)

Not really. We still believe that people go to Heaven through Christ, and everyone who is there is Christian. But we have come to infer that this doesn't necessarily mean they need to be part of the Christian faith while on earth. If a person strives to live a life of virtue, even though that person is not of the Christian faith, they are still following the principles of Christ. Christ died for everyone. If a person (knowingly or unknowingly) follows the ways of Christ by being a good, virtuous person, he/she will be in Heaven per our beliefs.   

As for the Church changing things... Dogmatic doctrines are the ones that are considered "revealed truth" and those cannot be changed in any way, ever. Other doctrines, depending on what they are, may be modified and/or evolve as new things come up, and as we generally learn more about philosophy and natural law. So long as no fundamental principles themselves change.

[Jehanne]

As per usual, Jehanne in his complete ignorance of Catholicism is spewing incorrect information.  

That was written in the year 1442 and was never proclaimed as dogmatic teaching. As I said and will say again, the revised consensus as of Vatican II is that a person need not be Catholic or even Christian while in this life to go to Heaven. But you can continue to pretend you know more about my faith than I do.

I was confirmed in the Catholic Church (married, too!), and am now an official apostate of the Catholic Church (see above).  CL would have me believe that I cannot read, and she wants others to believe that they cannot read, also!  Now, let's see what the Council of Florence, an ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church, said, "It firmly believes, professes and preaches...."  But, yeah, not a "dogmatic teaching"!!!  Ha!!!!

[Catholic_Lady]

As per usual, Jehanne in his complete ignorance of Catholicism is spewing incorrect information.  

That was written in the year 1442 and was never proclaimed as dogmatic teaching. As I said and will say again, the revised consensus as of Vatican II is that a person need not be Catholic or even Christian while in this life to go to Heaven. But you can continue to pretend you know more about my faith than I do.

I was confirmed in the Catholic Church (married, too!), and am now an official apostate of the Catholic Church (see above).  CL would have me believe that I cannot read, and she wants others to believe that they cannot read, also!  Now, let's see what the Council of Florence, an ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church, said, "It firmly believes, professes and preaches...."  But, yeah, not a "dogmatic teaching"!!!  Ha!!!!

I am well aware that you are a former Catholic. And one that has proven time and time again to be very ignorant of your former faith. You should understand the differences between doctrines that are dogmatic and those that aren't, and the revisions of Vatican II. It's pretty basic stuff dude. Even the Poe who started this thread knew better than you.

[Jehanne]

I was confirmed in the Catholic Church (married, too!), and am now an official apostate of the Catholic Church (see above).  CL would have me believe that I cannot read, and she wants others to believe that they cannot read, also!  Now, let's see what the Council of Florence, an ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church, said, "It firmly believes, professes and preaches...."  But, yeah, not a "dogmatic teaching"!!!  Ha!!!!

I am well aware that you are a former Catholic. And one that has proven time and time again to be very ignorant of your former faith. You should understand the differences between doctrines that are dogmatic and those that aren't, and the revisions of Vatican II. It's pretty basic stuff dude. Even the Poe who started this thread knew better than you.

Well, let's try another:

Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Unam Sanctam, Pope Boniface VIII - November 18, 1302)

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/bon08/b8unam.htm

Still not convinced?  How about this one, from the Fifth Lateran Council in 1512:

Moreover, since subjection to the Roman pontiff is necessary for salvation for all Christ’s faithful, as we are taught by the testimony of both sacred scripture and the holy fathers, and as is declared by the constitution of pope Boniface VIII of happy memory, also our predecessor, which begins Unam sanctam, we therefore, with the approval of the present sacred council, for the salvation of the souls of the same faithful, for the supreme authority of the Roman pontiff and of this holy see, and for the unity and power of the church, his spouse, renew and give our approval to that constitution, but without prejudice to the declaration of pope Clement V of holy memory, which begins Meruit.

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/ecum18.htm

Ignorant of the Catholic Faith???  Ignorant of words, that you are.