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RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell?
September 6, 2017 at 5:44 pm
(September 6, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 6, 2017 at 3:05 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Ann Frank died well before Vatican 2, meaning that it was the official policy of the Catholic Church at that time that only Catholics could go to heaven. Papal infallibility started in the 1870s and has never been rescinded. Therefore Ann Frank is in hell if you believe in Catholicism.
My bold, that is not true. Papal infallibility has been used twice since 1870. First in defining the immaculate conception, and then in the assumption of Mary.
It is true that prior to Vatican 2 the consensus was that only Catholics went to Heaven. Since then, it has been revised that while everyone in Heaven is Christian/Catholic, it doesn't necessarily mean they were during this life.
I don't know much about Catholism's ins and outs but this sounds like what my Catholic husband said when I asked if he was sad that I won't go to heaven with him. He said that according to the pope anyone that is truly a good person gets to go to heaven regardless of belief. Now I don't know if that is official or that is him making himself feel better about me but it seems to go with what you are saying.
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RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell?
September 6, 2017 at 6:41 pm
Everyone toils at the will of subjugating Ant Overlords after death.
Everyone.
Doesn't matter how good or bad they were, or what horse crap they believed during life in this dimension.
Fair or not, that's just what happens in next plane of existence.
Sorry.
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RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell?
September 6, 2017 at 7:56 pm
(September 6, 2017 at 5:44 pm)mlmooney89 Wrote: (September 6, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: My bold, that is not true. Papal infallibility has been used twice since 1870. First in defining the immaculate conception, and then in the assumption of Mary.
It is true that prior to Vatican 2 the consensus was that only Catholics went to Heaven. Since then, it has been revised that while everyone in Heaven is Christian/Catholic, it doesn't necessarily mean they were during this life.
I don't know much about Catholism's ins and outs but this sounds like what my Catholic husband said when I asked if he was sad that I won't go to heaven with him. He said that according to the pope anyone that is truly a good person gets to go to heaven regardless of belief. Now I don't know if that is official or that is him making himself feel better about me but it seems to go with what you are saying.
Your husband is correct.
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RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell?
September 6, 2017 at 7:59 pm
(September 6, 2017 at 7:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 6, 2017 at 5:44 pm)mlmooney89 Wrote: I don't know much about Catholism's ins and outs but this sounds like what my Catholic husband said when I asked if he was sad that I won't go to heaven with him. He said that according to the pope anyone that is truly a good person gets to go to heaven regardless of belief. Now I don't know if that is official or that is him making himself feel better about me but it seems to go with what you are saying.
Your husband is correct.
So, Catholics cherry pick out John 3:16?
Please explain...
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell?
September 6, 2017 at 8:06 pm
(September 6, 2017 at 7:59 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (September 6, 2017 at 7:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Your husband is correct.
So, Catholics cherry pick out John 3:16?
Please explain...
Catholics are not alone in this. Universalism is an idea that is catching on. Jesus died for everyone. All are forgiven. I hope I can opt out and fade to black. The idea of an eternity singing "Mansion on a Hill" makes me queasy.
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RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell?
September 7, 2017 at 12:10 am
I didn't know heretics could bestow Salvation.
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RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell?
September 7, 2017 at 12:12 am
Is CatholicDefender in Cyber Hell?
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RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell?
September 7, 2017 at 1:44 am
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RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell?
September 7, 2017 at 3:05 am
Even if you believe in afterlife does it really matter where someone goes? Would Anne Frank be any better, in so called Heaven, with a guy that made people that couldn't pick better then to be Nazis and persecute little girls? I don't think so.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell?
September 7, 2017 at 8:10 am
Bad Hanukkah present for Anne Frank; Drum kit.
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