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RE: How Do Christians Feel About the Testimony of Muslims and Vice Versa?
September 18, 2017 at 4:32 pm
(September 18, 2017 at 6:22 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: My uncle and his family have a house down in inland Florida. My cousin told me hurricane Irma was coming right toward them when at the last minute it changed course and veered off to the gulf.
I know this is the kind of story my mother would love to hear other Christians tell, but I wondered how she'd take it if she knew they were down there praising Allah.
I view them about the same.... understand thanking God; but, also hesitant, if they start ascribing too much to it.
My cousin had a similar video they posted online. Walking down the street, with a lot of destruction, which suddenly stopped at their neighbors house just before them.
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RE: How Do Christians Feel About the Testimony of Muslims and Vice Versa?
September 18, 2017 at 6:22 pm
You lost me at "Feel About"...........
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RE: How Do Christians Feel About the Testimony of Muslims and Vice Versa?
September 19, 2017 at 8:00 am
(September 18, 2017 at 3:09 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (September 18, 2017 at 3:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think Islam definitely has some truths to it. We do believe in the same God as Muslims do, though there is a difference in our interpretation of Him. I still think Muslim prayer is valid, and I have a good friend who is Muslim whom I've asked to pray for me and vice versa.
I don't believe the hurricane veering west had anything to do with prayer though. It seems a bit presumptuous to assume God performed a miracle in this case. It's a violation of the Koran for muslims to have non-muslims as friends. So your good friend who is supposedly a muslim is an infidel.
And Paul forbids Christians to even eat with non believers. It's not enough to believe in god, as the bible says even the devils believe in god. Jesus said pray to god in his name. How can you pray in Jesus' name with someone who doesn't accept Jesus?
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RE: How Do Christians Feel About the Testimony of Muslims and Vice Versa?
September 19, 2017 at 11:16 am
Quote:I view them about the same.... understand thanking God; but, also hesitant, if they start ascribing too much to it.
Irony is not your strong suit, eh RR?
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RE: How Do Christians Feel About the Testimony of Muslims and Vice Versa?
September 19, 2017 at 11:17 am
(September 19, 2017 at 11:16 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:I view them about the same.... understand thanking God; but, also hesitant, if they start ascribing too much to it.
Irony is not your strong suit, eh RR?
What do you mean?
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RE: How Do Christians Feel About the Testimony of Muslims and Vice Versa?
September 19, 2017 at 12:04 pm
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(September 19, 2017 at 8:00 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: (September 18, 2017 at 3:09 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: It's a violation of the Koran for muslims to have non-muslims as friends. So your good friend who is supposedly a muslim is an infidel.
And Paul forbids Christians to even eat with non believers. It's not enough to believe in god, as the bible says even the devils believe in god. Jesus said pray to god in his name. How can you pray in Jesus' name with someone who doesn't accept Jesus?
I have not known of or ever even heard of a single Christian who thinks it is a sin to eat with people who are not Christian. Not saying these fringe sorts can't possibly exist, but this hardly qualifies as what can be considered any sort of mainstream Christian teaching.
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RE: How Do Christians Feel About the Testimony of Muslims and Vice Versa?
September 19, 2017 at 1:26 pm
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(September 19, 2017 at 12:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 19, 2017 at 8:00 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: And Paul forbids Christians to even eat with non believers. It's not enough to believe in god, as the bible says even the devils believe in god. Jesus said pray to god in his name. How can you pray in Jesus' name with someone who doesn't accept Jesus?
I have not known of or ever even heard of a single Christian who thinks it is a sin to eat with people who are not Christian. Not saying these fringe sorts can't possibly exist, but this hardly qualifies as what can be considered any sort of mainstream Christian teaching.
If Paul said this (and I don't know the passage), what would that say about mainstream christian teaching?
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RE: How Do Christians Feel About the Testimony of Muslims and Vice Versa?
September 19, 2017 at 2:19 pm
(September 19, 2017 at 1:26 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: (September 19, 2017 at 12:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have not known of or ever even heard of a single Christian who thinks it is a sin to eat with people who are not Christian. Not saying these fringe sorts can't possibly exist, but this hardly qualifies as what can be considered any sort of mainstream Christian teaching.
If Paul said this (and I don't know the passage), what would that say about mainstream christian teaching?
I'm not sure what you mean. (I also don't know the passage.)
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RE: How Do Christians Feel About the Testimony of Muslims and Vice Versa?
September 20, 2017 at 3:22 am
(September 18, 2017 at 6:22 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: My uncle and his family have a house down in inland Florida. My cousin told me hurricane Irma was coming right toward them when at the last minute it changed course and veered off to the gulf.
I know this is the kind of story my mother would love to hear other Christians tell, but I wondered how she'd take it if she knew they were down there praising Allah.
Rhonda ... There are some things we don't speak about. This is one of those awkward questions. Putting religious people on the spot about their one true flavour of God.
Don't you know by now that everyone's God is the one true God? Stop trying to short circuit their brains! The poor things.... 
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RE: How Do Christians Feel About the Testimony of Muslims and Vice Versa?
September 20, 2017 at 4:15 am
Hey Rhondazvous this documentary will help you see what Christians think of Muslims, gays and other stuff
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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