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Is religion cause of most wars?

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Is religion cause of most wars?
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RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
October 4, 2017 at 3:29 pm
No, he persecuted some church fucks who stole everything that wasn't nailed down and made the peasant's lives horrible.  BTW, when the Germans attacked he made peace with them in the interest of national unity.

Say what you will about him, Stalin understood the concept of 'first things first.'
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RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
October 4, 2017 at 3:32 pm (This post was last modified: October 4, 2017 at 3:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Stalin was active in the greek orthodox chruch, and spent five years at seminary.  He described his upbringing as having been 
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RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
October 4, 2017 at 5:17 pm
(October 4, 2017 at 3:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No, he persecuted some church fucks who stole everything that wasn't nailed down and made the peasant's lives horrible.  BTW, when the Germans attacked he made peace with them in the interest of national unity.

Say what you will about him, Stalin understood the concept of 'first things first.'
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RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
October 4, 2017 at 5:24 pm
For that tickling sensation, eh?
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RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
October 4, 2017 at 5:26 pm
He killed tens of millions of innocent people...
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RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
October 4, 2017 at 5:29 pm
So did Urban II.
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RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
October 4, 2017 at 5:38 pm (This post was last modified: October 4, 2017 at 5:39 pm by Mister Agenda.)
Catholic_Lady Wrote:
Chad32 Wrote:Possibly not, but any religion that puts a priority on spreading its influence is going to invite conflict. Which can lead to war. As far as atheists killing massive numbers of people, all I can say is it's generally not done in the name of atheism. We don't have a sacred text that says to kill or oppress people with different views from us. So if Stalin or Mao were atheists, it doesn't really speak as badly on atheism as a whole, than it does some religious zealot commanding people be killed because their book plainly says to do such things somewhere in its pages.

But their motives still stem from opposition to religion. Stalin killed millions of religious folks in his attempt to eradicate religion and build an atheist society. So saying that atheism wasn't any sort of motive is not accurate.

Of course, this doesn't speak for all atheist people, whom are vastly decent people. Just as the crusades doesnt speak for all Christians. I'll agree with you there.

His totalitarian communist ideology and megalomanic intolerance for opposition of any kind explain Stalin's actions pretty adequately, I think. And if more is needed, the positive belief that religion should be forcibly eradicated is a possible motivation, while not believing any God or gods are really real is not.
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RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
October 4, 2017 at 5:41 pm (This post was last modified: October 4, 2017 at 5:44 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(October 4, 2017 at 5:38 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
Catholic_Lady Wrote:But their motives still stem from opposition to religion. Stalin killed millions of religious folks in his attempt to eradicate religion and build an atheist society. So saying that atheism wasn't any sort of motive is not accurate.

Of course, this doesn't speak for all atheist people, whom are vastly decent people. Just as the crusades doesnt speak for all Christians. I'll agree with you there.

His totalitarian communist ideology and megalomanic intolerance for opposition of any kind explain Stalin's actions pretty adequately, I think. And if more is needed, the positive belief that religion should be forcibly eradicated is a possible motivation, while not believing any God or gods are really real is not.

Ohh ok...

Of course he was intolerant of opposition. Most tyrants are. But I really don't like the double standard here. Yall are so quick to blame religion for evil deeds (and rightfully so a lot of the times), but when an atheist starts killing religious folks, destroying churches, taking away people's freedom of religion, and trying to make his country atheist... All of the sudden his atheism has nothing to do with his motivations? Come on...
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RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
October 4, 2017 at 5:42 pm (This post was last modified: October 4, 2017 at 5:44 pm by Mister Agenda. Edit Reason: Elaboration )
Catholic_Lady Wrote:
Mister Agenda Wrote:His totalitarian communist ideology and megalomanic intolerance for opposition of any kind explain Stalin's actions pretty adequately, I think. And if more is needed, the positive belief that religion should be forcibly eradicated is a possible motivation, while not believing any God or gods are really real is not.

Ohh, ok...

Please elaborate. Do you think atheism IS a positive belief that religion should be forcibly eradicated?
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RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
October 4, 2017 at 5:45 pm
(October 4, 2017 at 5:42 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
Catholic_Lady Wrote:Ohh, ok...

Please elaborate. Do you think atheism IS a positive belief that religion should be forcibly eradicated?

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"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

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