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Is religion cause of most wars?
#51
RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
(October 4, 2017 at 6:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes, they were militant communists as well. But they were also militant atheists who tried to eradicate religion and tried to make their country atheist. You're being dishonest...

Do you suffer from short term memory loss? It has been explained to you in some detail why Stalin did what he did. The first duty of any despot worthy of the name is to remove any and all opposition, the church wielded great power and influence.
It had to go.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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#52
RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
(October 4, 2017 at 12:45 pm)MitjaHD Wrote: Some people claim religion has caused the most wars throughout the history of mankind, but. In the book encyclopedia of wars it says out of 1763 wars only 126 were caused because of religion. Theists also defend themselves by saying that atheists have killed more people than religious people (Stalin, Zedong...). How would you respond? Does religion play a role in wars or it has nothing to do with it?

Economics would be the primary cause (at the root of it; the motivation of those in power to declare wars, at any rate) but you can't argue that the religious mindset of blindly accepting authority, hostility toward outgroups, etc., make it very easy to turn otherwise peaceful folk into bloodthirsty killers and manipulable sheep. So, is religion the (primary) cause? Maybe not. But the means of making it actually happen? Fuck yes. And it's not diminished in the slightest in helping this along even now.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#53
RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
Quote:It had to go.

Until Hitler invaded.

Quote:After Nazi Germany's attack on the Soviet Union in 1941, Joseph Stalin revived the Russian Orthodox Church to intensify patriotic support for the war effort. On September 4, 1943, Metropolitans Sergius (Stragorodsky), Alexius (Simansky) and Nicholas (Yarushevich) were officially received by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin. They received a permission to convene a council on September 8, 1943, that elected Sergius Patriarch of Moscow and all Rus'. A new patriarch was elected, theological schools were opened, and thousands of churches began to function. The Moscow Theological Academy and Seminary which had been closed since 1918 was re-opened.

Wiki

The church was merely a means to an end.  Stalin even after the war allowed them to continue as by then they owed their renaissance and even their existence to him.  It was Khrushchev who initiated the next great purge, not Stalin.

The History of Stalin's Forced Collectivization

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory...stalin.htm

Quote:Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands.

The Ukrainian independence movement actually predated the Stalin era. Ukraine, which measures about the size of France, had been under the domination of the Imperial Czars of Russia for 200 years. With the collapse of the Czarist rule in March 1917, it seemed the long-awaited opportunity for independence had finally arrived. Optimistic Ukrainians declared their country to be an independent People's Republic and re-established the ancient capital city of Kiev as the seat of government.

Not much in here about religion.
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#54
RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
You can be a militant anti-religionist. Anti-religionism is a cause, and you can be militant about it. You can even be a theist and be anti-religionist. But anti-religionism is not a particularly extreme version of atheism. It's its own belief.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#55
RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
(October 4, 2017 at 12:45 pm)MitjaHD Wrote: Theists also defend themselves by saying that atheists have killed more people than religious people (Stalin, Zedong...)

You mean societies whose religion is cult of personality:

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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#56
RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
Or better yet, in what way is what anything those regimes do able to be considered rational? How about seeing how well they fare when they use logic and reason for everything, think they might be able to get away with the same crap?
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#57
RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
(October 6, 2017 at 2:16 pm)Astonished Wrote: Or better yet, in what way is what anything those regimes do able to be considered rational? How about seeing how well they fare when they use logic and reason for everything, think they might be able to get away with the same crap?

Yeah these were hardly secular societies we have now because these people really worshiped those people as gods with supernatural powers. For instance in USSR during Stalin lots of Russians were litteraly afraid to have toughts against him because they tought he could read their minds.

When it comes to Mao Zedong few years ago China’s president had to say in public that people should stop worshiping Mao as a god. These are his own words: "Revolutionary leaders are not gods, but human beings. [We] cannot worship them like gods or refuse to allow people to point out and correct their errors just because they are great."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ident.html
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#58
RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
Religion is the call of all wars.

Boru
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