Still a Christian - ask me questions/tell me about yourselves

[GrandizerII]

Ever ordered anyone to engage in ethnic cleansing or sex trafficking?  Would you do either?  If someone brought you her sick kid and asked for tylenol would you question whether her ethnicity disqualified her child from deserving it?  Would you set fire to people who did not pledge loyalty to you?  If you could command bears, would you command them to slaughter children for making fun of a bald mans head?  What are your thoughts on drowning every living creature?  If you could place curses on people, would you?  How likely are you to incite a global xenocidal war?

Some of what you said is somewhat vague in nature, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. In response to what I can tell you ARE referring to:

Noah's flood - from reading Genesis, you can tell that the world was in just the worst place its ever been in. God was under no obligation to let things keep going - I imagine you have a sense of justice, which is great. But God has more mercy than anyone, than EVERYONE, so the flood was done for the purposes of cleansing the world, and notice that the world still goes on today because it wasn't an end. "Every living creature" implies an end that neither of us believe happened, esp. since 2 of every kind went on the ark.

The bears and the youths - What's presented in the Bible in that section is that the youths who make fun of Elijah aren't just your ordinary kids, but actual gang members who were a plague on the city at the time. So they're not as innocent as most people see them as.

Inciting wars - same idea as Noah's ark, except God gave nations chances to turn away from their evil ways repeatedly, and they never did. He just chose to bring about justice through other nations, showing dominion over the hearts of men.

If you want to hear me address your other points, please be a little more specific as to what you're referring to.

Do you hear yourself talk sometimes, dude? God has more mercy than any one of us, so he drowns to death almost all living things on earth, including children? You think you can just spout this crap and pretend you're not insulting anyone's intelligence? My goodness ...

[Mister Agenda]

I'm Irish, and I've a very good idea of what it is to live in a country which only accepts one version of christianity as truth.

PS If you think christians are a persecuted group then you've lived a very sheltered and uncurious life.

Ah - I'm very sorry for your exposure to Christianity that has really fallen short of God's glory. There's another comment I left talking about friends I've had and actual news reports of Christians in other countries that are killed for their faith (it's particularly bad in the Middle East). Very unfortunate stuff.

Yes, Christians are persecuted in certain countries, and Muslims are persecuted in certain countries, and so forth. That doesn't mean they get to cry about being persecuted in countries where they're the majority and over 90% of elected officials profess the majority religion. 'We're persecuted' doesn't ring true in those circumstances, because it's much more accurate to say 'they're persecuted'. Vicarious persecution isn't admirable or becoming.

[Edwardo Piet]

I'd like to hear more of your logic on why most Christians are better than the God we worship.

Yeah. I disagree with that because God doesn't even exist in the first place which is often superior to existing.

That's not sarcasm, by the way. I think many of us are worse of for having been born because the world is an awful place, so maybe God got lucky there by not existing in the first place.

Of course God's own nonexistence is no more morally perfect than a Flying Spaghetti Monster's perfect nonexistence.

[GUBU]

I'm Irish, and I've a very good idea of what it is to live in a country which only accepts one version of christianity as truth.

PS If you think christians are a persecuted group then you've lived a very sheltered and uncurious life.

Ah - I'm very sorry for your exposure to Christianity that has really fallen short of God's glory. There's another comment I left talking about friends I've had and actual news reports of Christians in other countries that are killed for their faith (it's particularly bad in the Middle East). Very unfortunate stuff.

I've received the same "glory of god" as you've had. The only difference between us is I'm not deluding myself into thinking an imaginary friend controls the world.

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Ever ordered anyone to engage in ethnic cleansing or sex trafficking?  Would you do either?  If someone brought you her sick kid and asked for tylenol would you question whether her ethnicity disqualified her child from deserving it?  Would you set fire to people who did not pledge loyalty to you?  If you could command bears, would you command them to slaughter children for making fun of a bald mans head?  What are your thoughts on drowning every living creature?  If you could place curses on people, would you?  How likely are you to incite a global xenocidal war?

Some of what you said is somewhat vague in nature, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. In response to what I can tell you ARE referring to:

Noah's flood - from reading Genesis, you can tell that the world was in just the worst place its ever been in. God was under no obligation to let things keep going - I imagine you have a sense of justice, which is great. But God has more mercy than anyone, than EVERYONE, so the flood was done for the purposes of cleansing the world, and notice that the world still goes on today because it wasn't an end. "Every living creature" implies an end that neither of us believe happened, esp. since 2 of every kind went on the ark.

The bears and the youths - What's presented in the Bible in that section is that the youths who make fun of Elijah aren't just your ordinary kids, but actual gang members who were a plague on the city at the time. So they're not as innocent as most people see them as.

Inciting wars - same idea as Noah's ark, except God gave nations chances to turn away from their evil ways repeatedly, and they never did. He just chose to bring about justice through other nations, showing dominion over the hearts of men.

If you want to hear me address your other points, please be a little more specific as to what you're referring to.

Battered wive's syndrome right there.

[speedyj1992]

Ah - I'm very sorry for your exposure to Christianity that has really fallen short of God's glory. There's another comment I left talking about friends I've had and actual news reports of Christians in other countries that are killed for their faith (it's particularly bad in the Middle East). Very unfortunate stuff.

Yes, Christians are persecuted in certain countries, and Muslims are persecuted in certain countries, and so forth. That doesn't mean they get to cry about being persecuted in countries where they're the majority and over 90% of elected officials profess the majority religion. 'We're persecuted' doesn't ring true in those circumstances, because it's much more accurate to say 'they're persecuted'. Vicarious persecution isn't admirable or becoming.

Oh, I actually totally agree with this - in countries like the USA, it's a little ridiculous the way some Christians respond to the "persecution" we face here in this country. We have no sense of what it's like to be tortured the way some people in Romania have been - the only reason I even mentioned it was because someone else brought it up and said that it doesn't happen. Period. And that's flat out wrong, even if I don't personally have a sense of what it's like to really face persecution. Because we share a common bond, yes, of course we care about it, but saying we can empathize is going a bit too far, so I agree with what you said.

[The Grand Nudger]

Some of what you said is somewhat vague in nature, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. In response to what I can tell you ARE referring to:

Noah's flood - from reading Genesis, you can tell that the world was in just the worst place its ever been in. God was under no obligation to let things keep going - I imagine you have a sense of justice, which is great. But God has more mercy than anyone, than EVERYONE, so the flood was done for the purposes of cleansing the world, and notice that the world still goes on today because it wasn't an end. "Every living creature" implies an end that neither of us believe happened, esp. since 2 of every kind went on the ark.

Uh huh.... 2 of every "kind", and fuck the rest of them.  So is that a yes, you're totally onboard and you think flooding the earth would be a great idea?

The bears and the youths - What's presented in the Bible in that section is that the youths who make fun of Elijah aren't just your ordinary kids, but actual gang members who were a plague on the city at the time. So they're not as innocent as most people see them as.

So, another idea that you think has merit?  Perhaps we should fire cops and release grizzlies in the inner city?

Inciting wars - same idea as Noah's ark, except God gave nations chances to turn away from their evil ways repeatedly, and they never did. He just chose to bring about justice through other nations, showing dominion over the hearts of men.

Ah yes, ethnic cleansing as justice.  Heil Jehovah!

If you want to hear me address your other points, please be a little more specific as to what you're referring to.

No need, you've demonstrated that at least in some cases..the contention that christians are better than their god is wrong.   You're no better at all.

[speedyj1992]

Some of what you said is somewhat vague in nature, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. In response to what I can tell you ARE referring to:

Noah's flood - from reading Genesis, you can tell that the world was in just the worst place its ever been in. God was under no obligation to let things keep going - I imagine you have a sense of justice, which is great. But God has more mercy than anyone, than EVERYONE, so the flood was done for the purposes of cleansing the world, and notice that the world still goes on today because it wasn't an end. "Every living creature" implies an end that neither of us believe happened, esp. since 2 of every kind went on the ark.

The bears and the youths - What's presented in the Bible in that section is that the youths who make fun of Elijah aren't just your ordinary kids, but actual gang members who were a plague on the city at the time. So they're not as innocent as most people see them as.

Inciting wars - same idea as Noah's ark, except God gave nations chances to turn away from their evil ways repeatedly, and they never did. He just chose to bring about justice through other nations, showing dominion over the hearts of men.

If you want to hear me address your other points, please be a little more specific as to what you're referring to.

Do you hear yourself talk sometimes, dude? God has more mercy than any one of us, so he drowns to death almost all living things on earth, including children? You think you can just spout this crap and pretend you're not insulting anyone's intelligence? My goodness ...

No, I actually think you guys are quite smart, but my point is the way Genesis describes how ALL the earth was just at its lowest point. Literally NO ONE except Noah and his family were good. Any of us, if we created something beautiful that turned on us and completely corrupted our original design, would destroy it. God, being infinitely holy, has a very different sense of what corruption looks like, but the corruption and awfulness in Genesis right before the flood makes out a world that was as bad as possible. Think of the most disgusting stuff people can do, and imagine EVERYONE doing those things, ALL THE TIME. Wouldn't you just be done with the whole thing? Doesn't God seem more merciful, actually wanting to wipe the slate clean despite having ZERO obligation to do so?

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On a completely unrelated note, I know we obviously have our disagreements, but I hope you guys all have lovely Thanksgivings with your families and/or friends wherever you may be.

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I accidentally added this at the end of another post, BUT I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving with family and/or loved ones.

[Cod]

The bears and the youths - What's presented in the Bible in that section is that the youths who make fun of Elijah aren't just your ordinary kids, but actual gang members who were a plague on the city at the time. So they're not as innocent as most people see them as.

Seems like a lot of gang members for a backwater, did they have jacked up camels and flicktwigs? Mocking a bald prophet.. That's a really edgy thing for a gang to be doing, disgraceful behaviour on their part, they fully deserved a mauling.

[The Grand Nudger]

Any of us, if we created something beautiful that turned on us and completely corrupted our original design, would destroy it. 

......speak for yourself....and remind me never to turn my back on you. Good luck with kids, but I think I should probably wait and wish them good luck with you.

From the narrative, it's easy to see why gods creation turned on him. I hope that, in the event that any of your "creation" ever turns on you you won't default to the same behaviors you worship in a god.

[Brian37]

Ah - I'm very sorry for your exposure to Christianity that has really fallen short of God's glory. There's another comment I left talking about friends I've had and actual news reports of Christians in other countries that are killed for their faith (it's particularly bad in the Middle East). Very unfortunate stuff.

Yes, Christians are persecuted in certain countries, and Muslims are persecuted in certain countries, and so forth. That doesn't mean they get to cry about being persecuted in countries where they're the majority and over 90% of elected officials profess the majority religion. 'We're persecuted' doesn't ring true in those circumstances, because it's much more accurate to say 'they're persecuted'. Vicarious persecution isn't admirable or becoming.

This is worldwide, not limited to Christians/Muslims/Jews.

A Dali Lama Tibet supporter Buddhist is going to claim Chinese Buddhists are the oppressors. A Japanese Shinto Buddhist is not going to agree with Chinese Buddhists, but yea I agree.

If one wants to claim Christians are oppressed, sure, but my argument would be where? Not in America.

Coptic Christians and Kurdish Christians living in the east are oppressed, but I would laugh in the face of Kim Davis if she stupidly thinks LGBT having the right to marry is oppressing her.

The terms "minority" and majority" are always case by case and geographical.

I think Atlass even in his country has far more to fear than a Muslim living in America, but even in America, a non violent Muslim has the same problem here as a minority as a non violent Mexican, fucking asshole bigots.