Was Jesus' sacrifice really a sacrifice at all?

[Anomalocaris]

Nope, it wasn't. There was no sacrifice and there was no purpose to it, and none of it made any sense in the first place.

You guys are so right.

No you are getting it.

[Minimalist]

I think he's playing possum, Chuck.


The kid won't give up his sky daddy that easily.

[Ace Otana]

Turning away from wishful desires can be a bit much for many. They will twist and turn things in such a way, in an attempt to try and fit it into their beliefs. Placing one's desires over reality is opting for blissful ignorance.
They want there to be a god, they want there to be an afterlife and they will twist whatever they can to convince themselves of such beliefs. The very essence of delusion.

Which is why I never try so full to argue and try not at all, not even the smallest of efforts to deconvert.
Leave they be to their beliefs, but argue a plenty with enjoyment in mind.

Don't know about you lot but I'm off to bed. I start getting all poetic when tired.

[Anomalocaris]

I think he's playing possum, Chuck.


The kid won't give up his sky daddy that easily.

Deadpan is all he is going to get if he insist on attaching infinitely profound meaning to one unexceptionally event, and no comparable meaning to thousands other analogous events.

The crucification of Jesus is unremarkable next to the crucification of any of the thousands of people whom the Romans saw fit to kill in this way as matter of policy, law, or expedience. It is also unremarkable next to the crucifixtion of the thousands of people whom the Phoenicians, Carthagenians, Ilyrians and Etruscans saw fit to crucify over many centuries prior to Rome. It is also no different form the death of thousands of people crucified in Fuedal Japan for various offenses.

It's just a totally unremarkable example of a cruel, but very common form of execution practiced widely throughout the ages. Considering how many crucifixions there must have been around the world throughout the ages, simple statistics would insist that there must of been thousands of people from amongst all the victims of crucifixion who ended up on the cross because they were willing to sacrafice their lives for something. Those people sacrificed exactly as much as Jesus did.

[Watson]

*sigh* Why did I even bother?

[Minimalist]

Yeah. Why did you?

[Anomalocaris]

*sigh* Why did I even bother?

I can't think of a reason.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

IF you are a believer, Jesus' sacrifice was utterly necessary and is crucial in Christian theology. THE point was and is redemption from the sin of Adam and Eve ('the fall') and the conquest of death.--Christianity DOES teach physical resurrection.

Redemption through the of the death of the god followed by his resurrection is not an unusual religious belief. It is found in many fertility religions,many of which practiced human sacrifice.

The familiarity with blood sacrifice helped make Christianity acceptable to meso-Americans. IE they sacrificed humans to their gods .Christians sacrificed the son of their god their god to their god.The notion made perfect sense to them and made the Christian god very attractive to them.

[Rayaan]

I don't believe that Jesus was God nor the son of God. To the Muslims, he is one of the Prophets of God but also a regular human being like everyone else. That's why I don't understand this sacrifice and resurrection concept in which the Christians believe in. But I am not too familiar with Christian theology either and that's another reason for my lack of knowledge on this topic. So, I'm not going to say anything else about this.

However, since you guys are atheists, it logically follows that you will believe that whatever the messengers of God said or did, are also fairy tales.

But did any of you live during that time?

Or can you go inside the mind of Jesus and experience the same things that he experienced when he was alive? Of course, the answer is no.

[Minimalist]

But did any of you live during that time?

The people who did never heard of him.

Anymore than the Byzantines ever heard of "Mohammad."