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Anslem's argument is sound.
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 (October 24, 2017 at 4:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Quote: Anslem's [sic] argument is sound And that sound is
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb  RE: Anslem's argument is sound.
October 24, 2017 at 6:16 pm
(This post was last modified: October 24, 2017 at 6:21 pm by Angrboda.)
![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg?rlkey=x1nmxbwrp...pouidnfvtl]](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/scl/fi/a6a72vica8gsyddmkhtxp/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg?rlkey=x1nmxbwrpk9dzrupouidnfvtl)  (October 24, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote:(October 24, 2017 at 1:04 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I exist. Daffy Duck does exist. Just not as a duck.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
MK: Use Anselm's argument and prove a god that does not want us masturbating. I will wait patiently.
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!
 (October 24, 2017 at 6:16 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(October 19, 2017 at 11:02 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: ...I've shown in the past that the notion of a greatest conceivable being is incoherent, though you didn't understand the last time so I'm not optimistic that explaining it again will help. When you say that God is the greatest conceivable being, you're saying that God has all the good qualities. But goodness is a subjective judgement, so greatest possible being is a judgement made up of subjective judgements. For every subjective judgement that says X is a great making quality, there is an equally valid subjective judgement which says that X is a bad making quality. The reason is because qualities and properties are neither good or bad in and of themselves, they only become so when a subject attaches a value to them. You cannot construct a greatest anything out of properties that are inherently neutral. So "greatest conceivable being" has no meaning other than as a religious catchphrase. As I pointed out in the other thread, you are changing the term 'greatest' to 'good and bad' so you can use it in a moral sense (and declare it incoherent) when GCB Theology uses it in a qualitative sense. It is greater to be omnipotent than not. It is greater to be omniscient than not. It is greater to be morally perfect than not. RE: Anslem's argument is sound.
October 25, 2017 at 9:35 am
(This post was last modified: October 25, 2017 at 9:37 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Is it greater to be morally perfect..or immorally perfect?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (October 25, 2017 at 9:31 am)SteveII Wrote: As I pointed out in the other thread, you are changing the term 'greatest' to 'good and bad' so you can use it in a moral sense (and declare it incoherent) when GCB Theology uses it in a qualitative sense. It is greater to be omnipotent than not. It is greater to be omniscient than not. It is greater to be morally perfect than not. It is greater to be Superman than not. It is greater to be a jedi knight than not. How about, it is greater to actually exist than not. In other words, fantasy takes a back seat.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
(October 25, 2017 at 9:35 am)Khemikal Wrote: Is it greater to be morally perfect..or immorally perfect? Or perhaps it;s greater top be both concurrently? What could be greater than a being capable of doing impossible things? Since being omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly immoral would lead to utter chaos: inconsistent, destructive, the amount of gratuitous pain/suffering that could be caused is potentially infinite, I would go with the former. RE: Anslem's argument is sound.
October 25, 2017 at 9:45 am
(This post was last modified: October 25, 2017 at 9:54 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Then you're using "great" in a moral sense as well..so there's no point in castigating another for it.
Why is it not "great" to be infinitely destructive? Surely a creature capable of more destruction than any another creature is meaningfully greater? If you like, we can cut to the chase. Short of some non-arbitrary metric, your use of the term is an explicit invocation of your personal biases. How's that non arbitrary metric coming along...you ready to allow for it yet..........would you really maintain the above as a metric for "greatness" when we point out the gratuitous suffering magic book claims fairy god inflicted upon christer fantasy world? It's own inconsistency and destructiveness? Make the world, break the world. All is good, everything sucks. Do this and not that, no..scratch that, do that but not this..wait, nevermind I'm handing out mulligans for all the things. Is your god closer to my infinitely destrutive, and therefore greater, being...or your milketoast pushover of good behavior?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(October 25, 2017 at 9:45 am)Khemikal Wrote: Then you're using "great" in a moral sense as well..so there's no point in castigating another for it. No...I was pointing out what 'perfectly immoral' would entail. I think it is clear that it is qualitatively better to be creative, loving, nurturing, structured, etc. because these attributes are more conducive to relationships between rational/thinking/emotional beings (us and God) than their opposites. I'm not going to debate the PoE in this thread. |
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