Can someone debunk this

[KevinM1]

Got any proof to back that up, or just Islamic word salad?

Ok,  concsiousness and non-concsiouness are binary. On and off.  Either a ghost or not.

This is an assertion. Where's your proof for it?

[Mystic]

That is exactly how it had to happen though if evolution is true. It had to one stage go from no ghost to ghost, and by a few chaotic mutations. Do you see how silly that it is? Yes.

Now with things like the eye, there are many layers of types of senses on earth, so you can map it out. From one simple to another slightly more complex, to another more complex, and so on till it becomes an eye.

In this sense you can have a mapping of simple ghosts in the machine to more complex ghosts in the machine. But however, the first ghost in the machine, that is the essential thing, can it go from chaotic random mutations from no ghost to ghost. I argue you can't.

[I_am_not_mafia]

That is exactly how it had to happen though if evolution is true. It had to one stage go from no ghost to ghost, and by a few chaotic mutations. Do you see how silly that it is? Yes.

Why is that exactly how it had to happen?

Argument from ignorance / credulity

[Mystic]

When we grow from an egg to a human, there are many changes at many levels in time, and none of it is random at that point or chaotic.  I am saying a few mutations cannot lead from one state to another. The paradigm is the evolution paradigm of small changes over time with random mutations and natural selection.

When we grow from an egg, there is direction at each stage according to instructions that recorded biologically.

Think of it like me giving you a recipe for a nice cake. It is a very complicated recipe and the order and timing are very important.

The recipe for me makes a very tasty cake, but when I read it out to you, you wrote some of timings down wrongly. You then use the recipe you have and get a different cake.

No mutation happens to your cake once you start making it.

The instructions (recipe) are used for the fertilised egg (cake mix) to develop over time to be a fully conscious human (cake). No one is saying that consciousness comes from mutations in reading the DNA.

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Ok,  concsiousness and non-concsiouness are binary. On and off.  Either a ghost or not.

Yep. I thought this was what you assumed and which is why I explained in my first post to you that consciousness is not a binary condition.

For example, as I said your brain does not immediately switch on from unconscious to conscious after general anesthetic. Some animals and even some humans are more conscious of why they act the way they do than others.

That as just saying there are layers to ghostness of the ghost in the machine, some more aware, more life, etc, but that doesn't change the fact it is either something has a ghost or not.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Are you thinking that there is literally a ghost in a brain?

There isn't. It's a metaphor.

[Mystic]

That is exactly how it had to happen though if evolution is true. It had to one stage go from no ghost to ghost, and by a few chaotic mutations. Do you see how silly that it is? Yes.

Why is that exactly how it had to happen?

Argument from ignorance / credulity

No, it is exactly how it had to happen, because evolution doesn't provide millions of mutations at the same time nor design leading a bunch a mutations, like the millions of changes happening when we go from egg to consciousness and it all clicks to whatever level of the ghost, at one point, it will be no ghost to ghost, no matter how little ghost is aware to the ghost we are later.

Please try to understand the paradox. People go sidetrack. It is exactly by the paradigms we know evolution works with and what consciousness is, and the binary state of ghost and no ghost, that design is proven.

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Are you thinking that there is literally a ghost in a brain?

There isn't. It's a metaphor.

I am talking about it as a metaphor.

[I_am_not_mafia]

No, it is exactly how it had to happen, because evolution doesn't provide millions of mutations at the same time nor design leading a bunch a mutations, like the millions of changes happening when we go from egg to consciousness and it all clicks to whatever level of the ghost, at one point, it will be no ghost to ghost, no matter how little ghost is aware to the ghost we are later.

Please try to understand the paradox. People go sidetrack. It is exactly by the paradigms we know evolution works with and what consciousness is, and the binary state of ghost and no ghost, that design is proven.

Please try to realise that your understanding of evolution, biology and neuroscience is completely wrong.

I tried to provide the simplest analogy that I could with the recipe for cake being read to you over the phone.

if you refuse to accept you misunderstand the science then would some links help convince you.

[Mystic]

Anyways, I got to go.

Another way to look at is small changes over times leaves nothing to be completely binary (on and off).

If anything is binary (on and off), then evolution, as taught, today is false.

Ghost and no ghost, no matter how little ghost there is, is binary.

Therefore evolution, as taught, today is false.

[Cyberman]

MK never metaphor he didn't like.

[Cyberman]

Therefore evolution, as taught, today is false.

Or evolution as you're trying to characterise it is false.

Which is the more likely?