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RE: Not religious doesn't necessarily mean atheist
November 1, 2017 at 1:58 pm
(November 1, 2017 at 1:11 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: From my perspective, ditching one irrational belief system for another is not conducive to rational thought or critical thinking processes, meaning that witchcraft is no more representative of reality than christianity.
Yeah, that's the point. Atheists here get excited about reports that people are becoming less religious, but that doesn't mean all such people are becoming like them. Many are just exchanging one thing you reject for another thing you reject.
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RE: Not religious doesn't necessarily mean atheist
November 1, 2017 at 2:00 pm
Atheists don;t reject magic or the supernatural....Alpha...they just don;t believe in gods. If those folks believe in astrology, but not gods..they're atheists.
That's how that works.
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RE: Not religious doesn't necessarily mean atheist
November 1, 2017 at 2:35 pm
Also, outside of a few idiots here and there, has anyone on this forum ever supported the idea that if someone becomes an atheist then they necessarily know more about science/skepticism/logic, etc? Atheists can be just as bass-ackwards as anyone else (as demonstrated on this forum every day).
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RE: Not religious doesn't necessarily mean atheist
November 1, 2017 at 2:43 pm
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Trading one pile of unprovable illogical woo for another. When I knew that I no longer believed in Christian woo, I did a little searching into Wicca. If you've been brainwashed into theism you sort of WANT deities to exist in some form or another. But . . . it was still just more illogical fantasy.
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RE: Not religious doesn't necessarily mean atheist
November 1, 2017 at 2:46 pm
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To the degree that said witches appeal to hidden powers and personify them you can call them religious. Mustn't let the culture foist Crain-centric perspective on us.
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RE: Not religious doesn't necessarily mean atheist
November 1, 2017 at 2:46 pm
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Most wiccans are atheists. They aren't religious either. They're ritualists. Their gods are a term of art, and their practices supply structure but not stricture. This is why wicca never succeeds or fails as a cultural phenomena..it doesn't have the prerequisites nailed - it doen;t satisfy true believers or conformists, and it provides no authority for free thinkers. It literally can;t win....but at the same time it;s nowhere near as shitty and narrowminded as traditional belief, and so long as traditional belief remains as petty and close minded as it is things like wicca will swirl around it's periphery.
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RE: Not religious doesn't necessarily mean atheist
November 1, 2017 at 2:57 pm
(November 1, 2017 at 2:00 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Atheists don;t reject magic or the supernatural....Alpha...they just don;t believe in gods. If those folks believe in astrology, but not gods..they're atheists.
That's how that works.
But that's so hard to figure out. Who knew? 
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RE: Not religious doesn't necessarily mean atheist
November 1, 2017 at 3:01 pm
He's right. Not religious doesnt mean atheist.
And conversly, religious does not mean theistic.
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RE: Not religious doesn't necessarily mean atheist
November 1, 2017 at 3:04 pm
(November 1, 2017 at 1:02 pm)alpha male Wrote: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-mi...2017-10-20
Quote:Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
But you aren't showing us people who are ditching religion for irreligion, you're showing us people ditching religion a for religion b. They are not changing their religiosity, their delusion, they are simply substituting one focus for another.
Oh, and if you look at countries where people are free to express their religion or lack thereof, the fastest growing group is the irreligious.
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RE: Not religious doesn't necessarily mean atheist
November 1, 2017 at 3:16 pm
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(November 1, 2017 at 3:04 pm)Wololo Wrote: (November 1, 2017 at 1:02 pm)alpha male Wrote: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-mi...2017-10-20
But you aren't showing us people who are ditching religion for irreligion, you're showing us people ditching religion a for religion b. They are not changing their religiosity, their delusion, they are simply substituting one focus for another.
Oh, and if you look at countries where people are free to express their religion or lack thereof, the fastest growing group is the irreligious.
I mean...astrology isn't a religion. It (and other pseudoscience crap) is certainly a delusion, but it's not a religion anymore than being anti-vax or anti-evolution is. And atheists can certainly be astrology believers, the two aren't at all mutually exclusive.
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