Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?

[John V]

Yes, I disagree, on two counts.  First of all, I believe that your god is a fictional being incapable of sending anyone anywhere.

I believe that about Zeus. That's why I don't waste my time on discussions of Zeus.

Secondly, I believe that the bad reputation of the Canaanite people -- The Phoenicians, in the northeast Mediterranean -- was largely fabricated to provide the pretext for an invasion.

Your opinion is noted, but the fact is that several sources - not just the Bible - said that child sacrifice was going on, and cemeteries with burnt remains of infants have been found. You can argue that the charges were fabricated and the remains were just cremations of infants who died naturally, but it seems pretty coincidental and conspiratorial.

See above.  The only "law" in effect seemed to be "Don't enslave people from your own tribe.  Everyone else is fair game."

In Exodus, the law prohibits kidnapping people and putting them into slavery, and it doesn't specify that it only applies to fellow Israelites.

Yes, I disagree.  I think the so-called "judgment" was just an excuse the priests gave the people to explain their defeat and capture.  They were overrun by superior forces and their god didn't bail them out; therefore, reasoned the priests, their god must be angry with them.

Just excuses for the inexcusable.

OK, you agree that the Bible says it was judgment. Going back and forth between discussing the Bible's contents when you find that convenient, and saying you don't believe in god anyway when the text is inconvenient, is intellectually dishonest. Go one way or the other.

[Abaddon_ire]

ORLY? Slavery is moral then according to your belief. 

How about beating those slaves, then?

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Nope. I am asking you directly if you accept that slavery is moral as is claimed in the bible, and you are attempting to divert. Don't do that. It is obvious that you do.

Nope. I think humans should not enslave other people against their will. That is immoral.

You agree that the bible is utterly wrong on this point. Good.

How about human sacrifice? Moral or immoral?

[Whateverist]

Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?

Had to have been for the shits and giggles.  Amuse thy god!!!

[Astreja]

Your opinion is noted, but the fact is that several sources - not just the Bible - said that child sacrifice was going on, and cemeteries with burnt remains of infants have been found. You can argue that the charges were fabricated and the remains were just cremations of infants who died naturally, but it seems pretty coincidental and conspiratorial.

Link to sources, please, so that I can examine them myself?

OK, you agree that the Bible says it was judgment. Going back and forth between discussing the Bible's contents when you find that convenient, and saying you don't believe in god anyway when the text is inconvenient, is intellectually dishonest. Go one way or the other.

I don't care what the Bible says it was.  I believe that it was not an actual judgment by a god, just a mythologized excuse for a military failure.  I'm looking for the probable real-world conditions that inspired the nonsense in the Bible, and am under no obligation to take any of it seriously when more plausible explanations are so near at hand. Until empirically demonstrated, it's all mythology and mythologized history.

[John V]

And yet, when the Bible says something which you think makes it look bad, you accept that without question.

Back then, slavery wasn't looked down on. Everyone did it, and having slaves was a sign of wealth.

So, why don't you argue that Israel might not have had slaves, and just wrote such things to appear better off than they actually were?

[Abaddon_ire]

And yet, when the Bible says something which you think makes it look bad, you accept that without question.

Because it is mandated in the bible.

Back then, slavery wasn't looked down on. Everyone did it, and having slaves was a sign of wealth.

"They did it too" is an excuse better suited to the schoolyard. Also, to support that you would have to accept that morality changes over time, which presents theists with a whole hatload of other questions.

So, why don't you argue that Israel might not have had slaves, and just wrote such things to appear better off than they actually were?

Because that does NOT appear in the bible so what would be the point in chasing such a person of straw?

[John V]

[SteveII]

Nope. I think humans should not enslave other people against their will. That is immoral.

You agree that the bible is utterly wrong on this point. Good.

How about human sacrifice? Moral or immoral?

I didn't say the Bible was wrong. The only way you get to that is if the Bible says enslaving others against their will is immoral. It does not. Therefore your inference is wrong. 

Human sacrifice is immoral.

[Astreja]

[John V]