Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?

[Drich]

Oh wow how did I miss this little dit bit?!?!?

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In God's house there are many mansions/dwelling places. I would say till those spaces are filled.

In my fathers house? That's from the orange catholic bible isn't it boy?

Actually no. It's from John 14:2

The house of Atredies?

is first identified in the Iliad and then later the all popular dune. As John 14 cam first there would be a continuity issue if you claimed the orange bible from dune came first.

I just loves me reading the bible,

From what I see, is you haven't really studied the bible much at all, but you do seem to love bible commentary that addresses surface readings.

it has so many parallels with Iain Banksies' culture novels.

or maybe you are not able to remove intent from action is your judgement of others. that is if you see Gods actions any differently than how any one of banksies characters franky got on with his clock face of doom. yet I'd be willing to wage a year's saladry that in your own life you have relabeled evil/cruelty and can excuse your actions without thinking twice about them. Meaning in your own life you have an equally horrid clock face of doom that you yourself have directly or indrectly contributed to the deaths of innocent people, and more like franky than God see the clock works and the wasps choosing which number to die under as being totaly apart from anything you do in your life.

(Remember banksie wrote this to describe the human condition/it took a douche bag to cut up God's character and made it stick to Him.)

This just makes you closed minded and petty because you can not see how it applies to your first... How it applies to your wester way of life, the way you gather and eat food, how you life revolves around cheap consumer goods, how you can live a life and not know anything of basic survival. How all of that has been places on the far lower casts of 3rd world people to provide you with your consumer goods. So you don't have to struggle as they do and life a life balanced daily between living and dying.

why else would anyone like you willingly admit to this? Unless you think by simply mentioning some obscure cutrual reference somehow makes you better than someone with out google. pleze bruh. (Generation X called they want their form of 'good will hunting' im smautur than you au cause I can talk about shit that that I plagerized from someone else..) Here's the kicker "doom-ass" in 50 years or so you will want to start to do your own thinking, but because you used all these other men's thoughts and claimed them as your own. you will be stuck with their ultimate conclusions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1DnltskkWk

Problem with that? nothing unless you like being a pre programed sheep who is afraid to objective look at a book/religion with out spouting back someone elses' work IE banksissy

You never know what's going to happen next.

It's like any other book, the narritive does not changed, even if your understand will over time.

The serpent, that's a shit stirring drone from a GCU if ever I saw one.

"Growing Up Creepy?"
Sriously dude.. once the interwebs came out that "I, a first year grad student name clark from good will hunting form of argueing" becomes meaningless. why? for all the same reason Matty Damon's character points out. It robs you of your own ability to think for yourself.

The god thingy, that's an errant mind from the interesting times gang, Exession, up yo no good I'll tell you. The ark! For fuck sake, some of the GSV would have bother storing that many lifeforms. Soddom?
Only a lazygun could do that. And whos on the cross? Well fuck my old boots if it isn't our old pal the Teflon worrier, bullet toothed Zakalwie, zakalwee the bullet dodger. And where's Diziet Sma? Giving Pilot a blow job.And what's his name, the cleaver cunt in Player if games? trying to decipher !st chronicles.

perfect example of not thinking for yourself.. rickie gervace much? because I heard some of his dry up hack of an act/one liners in there. Actually I'd call it a spoon full of ricky gervace with some hints of monty python with a slathering of a ton of unorginal crap. Again point? you have personally discredited the source material with the thoughts of others. meaning you have no way to generate an honest opinion unless you first discretit those in whom you used, which unless you learn to live apart from all the pop culture you referenced will not be possible for a mind as closed as the one you have created.

Now a little about me. I am married to lady Sharrow and I am in posse sin of the last lazygun. You have one week to find and read 'The wasp Ffactory' or I will cause your eyeballs to explode. If mayhaps you are a potless wanker then this nay help;

Arr Jim lad! Shivver me timbers, All doctors is swabs!

Savvy?

I am deliriously happy at the moment court-icy of me mate's latest batch of indoor tomatoes.  Souuld I fuck off? What says you all?

yeah... kinda beat you to it sport.

[Astreja]

You mentioned the Phoenicians, and this was a Phoenician colony. Makes sense that they got their customs form Phoenicia.

It's possible, but by no means guaranteed.  Sometimes people emigrate to get away from the old customs, or to have the freedom to start new ones.

It does strike me as a bit odd that the Israelites would condemn the Canaanites but glorify the Abraham/Isaac story arc and the murder of the Egyptian firstborn.

[Succubus]

Drich, that post is even more incoherent than the one you are replying to.
But thanks for letting me know what I was up to that night. I did wonder.

[Abaddon_ire]

You agree that the bible is utterly wrong on this point. Good.

How about human sacrifice? Moral or immoral?

I didn't say the Bible was wrong. The only way you get to that is if the Bible says enslaving others against their will is immoral. It does not. Therefore your inference is wrong. 

Human sacrifice is immoral.

Really? The bible says that enslaving others is perfectly OK and even provides rules for doing so. In fact god commands it.

As for human sacrifice, one need look no further than the daughter of Jepthah. (dead)

Or Lot. Rape my daughters why not.

Incest? All good in the bible.

Rape? Kill the victim.

Genocide? Kill them all, but keep the virgin girls as your sluts.

These are the horrible things in the bible.

These are also the things that the bible claims are "moral".

[Godscreated]

Could be that God is calling out to you and if you're to actually become a Christian in the way you believe you will no matter how much you fight it.

Atheists are not fighting anything, there is just no valid reason to believe in any of the thousands of claimed gods.

There is only one God, you can ignore the others and whether you admit it or not you are rejecting Christ and pacing yourself in eternal danger.

Don't be ridiculous, I told you it was God's desire not His will that all would be saved. If God were to reveal Himself before man you would have no choice but to believe, the effect upon you would be the same as it was on Moses.

Well, no not really. For example, if Bible god were proven to exist then I would believe in him/her/it/housecat no problem. But worship it? Nope. Do my best to kill the immoral thug would be more likely and a best course of action from a moral perspective.

You are pitiful, you think you could kill  the God who created the universe, the God who blink you away by a thought. Immoral thug, atheist say that morality is what each one sees as right, yet you would deny the One who created you the same right. Seeing Him and believing He is real and not worshiping Him will still and you in hell.

Why do you say the bold by me? My ultimate will for my woodworking projects do not necessarily match my desire for a piece, why would you expect God to be different.

He is by definition different. If god is not different then he is the same as anyone else and gets no special consideration.

God is not a definition, He is who He is by His nature. Really no special consideration, you mean to tell me you consider everyone in your life the same, I highly doubt that. God created us with many desires and a will, He gave us some of His attributes.

Your desire is God's will and if you continue you will have chosen your own special hell. God doesn't choose your destination, He does enforce your choice, so if you do not change you should be preparing yourself for a life eternal of torment, a torment worse that an everlasting fire.

Who created a hell to which he could consign the unbelievers? Who then threatened that place upon those to whom he had not revealed himself. Does that sound "loving" to anyone.

God created a place for the unbelieving to live for eternity, each individual there will have created their own hell by the way they lived this life and their blatant rejection of Christ. God doesn't threaten, He doesn't have to. God gave everyone a choice that has heard about Christ, those who have not will receive a special judgement based on the life they lived. So you haven't been threatened. You have heard about Christ and you have a choice to make, heaven or hell all depends on you.

GC

Gods not so puny as you say, He will make sure you have your choice and that you will not be able to change if you continue down this path of destruction.

Bible god is amazingly puny. According to the bible, he is not omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent. and strangely unable to deal with iron chariots, for some reason.

Now your being plain stupid, the Bible most certainly describes as omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. He who created the universe could be nothing less. God wouldn't destroy the chariots because of Israel's sin. Try reading the Bible before you make a fool of yourself, how do you propose to argue against something you know nothing about. 

Do I seem stupid to you? You wouldn't agree with me if I could prove all that I've written to you.

Stupid? No. Misled? Yes.

I've been led by the holy God and creator of the universe, you own the other hand have been led by man and show the self righteousness of one who cares more about the self than the One who gave you life.

Interesting finish to your above sentence, seems to me you're at a loss for words or an argument against the Bible. Of coarse I can't prove everything, if you thought that was a possibility you wouldn't have made the statement you did. Faith comes first to those who do not know God, later God gives His children of inheritance knowledge the truth of scriptures, I have a knowledge you can't understand. How do I know this, you can't understand the simplest things of scripture.

Start with that lot. Then we can go on to how your scripture is unable to even agree with itself, gets basic things wrong, and swipes itself from pretty much every other religion in the region at the time.

Oh, and talking donkeys and unicorns and dragons and so forth. That will be a bucket of metaphorical fun.

 You haven't shown any contradictions in the scriptures. The other religions have no idea who the God of the Bible is and it is He who inspired the words written. I know the Bible starting with the OT is not as old as some writings, the Hebrews passed down much through the years before their release from Egypt by stories through remembrance.

The Creator of the universe can do anything with animals He pleases and we do not know if some of the words of the old Hebrew have been translated correctly and the same goes for all ancient languages.

GC

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Could be that God is calling out to you and if you're to actually become a Christian in the way you believe you will no matter how much you fight it.

 Someone else took it upon their self to answer all those questions, read my answers to that post, I'm not answering the same questions over and over. I made a statement that I was tired of answering the same things over and over because others wanted to inject their selves into a conversation that was never meant for them. This is the results and will continue to be from now own.
GC

[possibletarian]

 Someone else took it upon their self to answer all those questions, read my answers to that post, I'm not answering the same questions over and over. I made a statement that I was tired of answering the same things over and over because others wanted to inject their selves into a conversation that was never meant for them. This is the results and will continue to be from now own.
GC

Maybe that's because you answer don't really answer anything, spouting wrath and hellfire and claiming you have a hotline to god to understand what we cannot, answers nothing.

[Astreja]

I made a statement that I was tired of answering the same things over and over because others wanted to inject their selves into a conversation that was never meant for them.

Wot?

Seriously?

GC, this is a forum, not your living room.  You don't get to say whether or not a conversation is "meant for" anyone.

[Martian Mermaid]

God is all-knowing, so why did he put the tree there at all, knowing what would happen?
But anyway, according to the story those were the first people, so they had to continue, that's my guess.

[Abaddon_ire]

Just to select some nuggets of the insanity peppers...

Atheists are not fighting anything, there is just no valid reason to believe in any of the thousands of claimed gods.

There is only one God, you can ignore the others and whether you admit it or not you are rejecting Christ and pacing yourself in eternal danger.

Wait what? Allah does not count? Or Buddha? Wow.

And "Christ" never existed and continues to not exist. Quelle surprise.
You seem to think that you have a lock on god. So far, nobody has even come close to demonstrating any of the thousands of gods exist. Perhaps you will be the first.

Don't be ridiculous, I told you it was God's desire not His will that all would be saved. If God were to reveal Himself before man you would have no choice but to believe, the effect upon you would be the same as it was on Moses.

How do you know that? You claim to know the mind of god, but how do you know that?

After that, in true christian fashion, you descend into insults and utter bollocks. I cannot stop you from doing so. For example, you said
"You haven't shown any contradictions in the scriptures. ". Well, I didn't think I had to explicitly point that out since the bible quite plainly cannot agree with itself, but if you want to go there, I'm game.

Start with Genesis 1 and 2. Both cannot agree with each other and we know both are flat out wrong. 

And you know what is ahead.

[Edwardo Piet]

Nope. I think humans should not enslave other people against their will. That is immoral.

You agree that the bible is utterly wrong on this point. Good.

How about human sacrifice? Moral or immoral?

Moral according to the New Testament.

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You agree that the bible is utterly wrong on this point. Good.

How about human sacrifice? Moral or immoral?

I didn't say the Bible was wrong. The only way you get to that is if the Bible says enslaving others against their will is immoral. It does not. Therefore your inference is wrong. 

Human sacrifice is immoral.

And yet the New Testament celebrates it as the most moral thing a single human has ever done.