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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 7:15 am
(November 11, 2017 at 6:37 am)Aroura Wrote: Our justice system is pretty terrible. Something like 1/10th of people convicted of murder turn out to be innocent. If we can't even convict correctly, how can we assume we correctly diagnosed mental illness? I mean, psychiatry is still a developing science, and it's constantly being updated.
And yes, it is becoming more common to realize by mental health professionals that anyone who commits such acts is by definition mentally damaged or mentally ill. Even if only temporarily.
Ever heard about Nicola and Bart?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti
Both were Anarchists, and got framed by the government, sadly they got executed.
I wonder how many others were executed this way, or how many others got framed and called "insane" without the medical opinion of a biased professional.
They sang in the memory of Nicola & Bart a lot:
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 10:24 am
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(November 11, 2017 at 5:23 am)bennyboy Wrote: (November 10, 2017 at 6:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not a psychiatrist and I'm certainly not God, so it's probably not up for me to judge. But if I had to point to some sort of standard, I'd say our justice system probably does a decent job of determining who is guilty of murder (and to what degree) and who is innocent for reason of insanity.
You sure about that?
Any guesses as to what % of inmates on Death's Row have brain damage, schizophrenia, etc.? Hint: It's a number between 1-100, and it's greater than 99)
Well, like I said. It's not up for me to make that judgement in any sense. I believe God fully knows someone's heart and whether they harbour a lot of evil or are just insane, exactly what their culpability is, and to what degree, etc etc.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 10:30 am
(November 11, 2017 at 5:23 am)bennyboy Wrote: (November 10, 2017 at 6:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not a psychiatrist and I'm certainly not God, so it's probably not up for me to judge. But if I had to point to some sort of standard, I'd say our justice system probably does a decent job of determining who is guilty of murder (and to what degree) and who is innocent for reason of insanity.
You sure about that?
Any guesses as to what % of inmates on Death's Row have brain damage, schizophrenia, etc.? Hint: It's a number between 1-100, and it's greater than 99)
I was told there would be no math. 😫
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 11:17 am
(November 11, 2017 at 10:24 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 11, 2017 at 5:23 am)bennyboy Wrote: You sure about that?
Any guesses as to what % of inmates on Death's Row have brain damage, schizophrenia, etc.? Hint: It's a number between 1-100, and it's greater than 99)
Well, like I said. It's not up for me to make that judgement in any sense. I believe God fully knows someone's heart and whether they harbour a lot of evil or are just insane, exactly what their culpability is, and to what degree, etc etc. How are you defining evil, to differentiate it from mental illness?
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 12:15 pm
(November 11, 2017 at 10:30 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: (November 11, 2017 at 5:23 am)bennyboy Wrote: You sure about that?
Any guesses as to what % of inmates on Death's Row have brain damage, schizophrenia, etc.? Hint: It's a number between 1-100, and it's greater than 99)
I was told there would be no math. 😫
Math is your friend ..
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 12:27 pm
(November 11, 2017 at 11:17 am)Aroura Wrote: (November 11, 2017 at 10:24 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well, like I said. It's not up for me to make that judgement in any sense. I believe God fully knows someone's heart and whether they harbour a lot of evil or are just insane, exactly what their culpability is, and to what degree, etc etc. How are you defining evil, to differentiate it from mental illness?
Culpability.
I'd also add that I don't think mental illness necessarily renders someone innocent for reason of insanity. A lot of people have a mental illness but don't go around killing and torturing other people. Just because a person has depression, for example, doesn't mean they are innocent if they go out and kill people.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 5:14 pm
(November 11, 2017 at 12:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 11, 2017 at 11:17 am)Aroura Wrote: How are you defining evil, to differentiate it from mental illness?
Culpability.
I'd also add that I don't think mental illness necessarily renders someone innocent for reason of insanity. A lot of people have a mental illness but don't go around killing and torturing other people. Just because a person has depression, for example, doesn't mean they are innocent if they go out and kill people.
Mental illness make you see things which aren't there. Usually; you will believe that the delusion is real.
Like thinking that a person smiling to you is actually mocking you. Or begin to understand words as insults while they're totally genuine.
Certain drugs can simulate the delusions even if the person is healthy.
They can also cure the person's delusions in some cases.
Not all evil acts are mental illness; but some people are crippled in the mind, so they torture and kill. We can't really blame a person that crippled in their heads. Depression is different because it doesn't give birth to constant delusions that live with the person.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 5:25 pm
What I'm saying is, whether or not a murder's/rapist's culpability is mitigated depends on the severity of the mental illness they have. Saying "all people who have a mental illness are innocent of all atrocities they commit" is what I'm objecting to here.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 5:30 pm
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It's almost as if this hell shit is a pick your own adventure thing...where the rules only apply sometimes, to some folks..and definitely never to god.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 5:30 pm
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(November 11, 2017 at 12:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 11, 2017 at 11:17 am)Aroura Wrote: How are you defining evil, to differentiate it from mental illness?
Culpability.
I'd also add that I don't think mental illness necessarily renders someone innocent for reason of insanity. A lot of people have a mental illness but don't go around killing and torturing other people. Just because a person has depression, for example, doesn't mean they are innocent if they go out and kill people.
That's a fine standard for us mere mortals. You'd think God wouldn't set people up to fail and then punish them for failure, though. . . cuz that's mean.
Let me ask you-- if someone kills because they are schizophrenic, is there a nice comfy cloud waiting for them in Heaven? If someone was molested constantly as a little kid (say by a catholic priest for example), and his brain is turned into a bag of leaping frogs, and he rapes some little kid. . . is he going to get a free pass?
How about the millions of brown people all over the world with real problems, who are morally challenged every day instead of having a nice middle-class American life to bolster their faith in fairness? Do they get extra credit for dealing with so much extra crap in life?
"I don't know, that's up to God" answer incoming in 3. . . 2. . . 1. . .
(November 11, 2017 at 5:30 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It's almost as if this hell shit is a pick your own adventure thing...where the rules only apply sometimes, to some folks..and definitely never to god.
Dude. . . how old ARE you? 
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