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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 12:21 pm
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The question relies on a false premise, because most theists don't believe their god is a mass murderer. However, most theists do not believe their god is a mass murderer. So there's nothing to reconcile.
IMO, they don't believe their god is a mass murderer because they cherry pick and compartmentalize, and they have to because they're not prepared to believe in a god that's a mass murderer.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 1:14 pm
(November 25, 2017 at 12:13 pm)J a c k Wrote: I remember the stories I was taught in church as a kid. We made drawings, had songs, did plays and everything all about these stories from the Bible for kids.
-Noah’s ark saved a family and animals, but everyone else died. Omg! The god is so good, because he saved Noah! 
-She looked back when the god told her not to, so she turned into salt. Omg let’s never disobey. 
-A bear attacked a bunch of kids for calling a god’s favorite baldy. Omg never get a minister angry. Ever. (This actually harmed me, because I believed this wholeheartedly)
- People got too smart in the Tower of Babel, so PUNISH! Don’t get too cocky.
-The pharaoh wasn’t following orders, so first borns die. Damn! Glad I’m the middle child.
I grew up being taught to love a gross, cruel, blood thirsty god and nobody questioned it. Lol Creepy, if you ask me. How did I reconcile it? I did... until I didn’t.
Well it's that time of day. Godscreated is doing his rounds, he'll be along shortly to explain everything.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 1:21 pm
(November 25, 2017 at 8:26 am)Chad32 Wrote: I hardly think that anything that exists is truly invincible. But if, in the end, we can do nothing, the only thing to really do is get as far away from that thing as possible.
King David wrote that this would be an impossible task.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 1:23 pm
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(November 25, 2017 at 12:21 pm)Hammy Wrote: The question relies on a false premise, because most theists don't believe their god is a mass murderer. However, most theists do not believe their god is a mass murderer. So there's nothing to reconcile.
IMO, they don't believe their god is a mass murderer because they cherry pick and compartmentalize, and they have to because they're not prepared to believe in a god that's a mass murderer.
They do like to focus hard on when Jesus said to love everyone, including your enemies. It's a nice message, and sounds like christianity is all peace and love and stuff. The problem is that's not the only thing he said. And those who believe he's the same guy as the one from the old testament should not ignore the stuff he did before he came down and started trying to preach humility and kindness and forgiveness.
(November 25, 2017 at 1:21 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (November 25, 2017 at 8:26 am)Chad32 Wrote: I hardly think that anything that exists is truly invincible. But if, in the end, we can do nothing, the only thing to really do is get as far away from that thing as possible.
King David wrote that this would be an impossible task.
GC
Sorry, misread the quote. You meant the getting away would be impossible. Not the invincible part. But some christians believe seperation from god is a thing that happens. So what about that?
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 1:30 pm
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(November 25, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Chad32 Wrote: They do like to focus hard on when Jesus said to love everyone, including your enemies. It's a nice message, and sounds like christianity is all peace and love and stuff. The problem is that's not the only thing he said. And those who believe he's the same guy as the one from the old testament should not ignore the stuff he did before he came down and started trying to preach humility and kindness and forgiveness.
Jesus Christ contradicted himself a lot in the Bible. Which is pretty normal for the Bible. Hence why cherry picking is required.
The Bible is a very useful document for tyrants, because it is so full of contradictions that one can cherry pick it any way one wants to justify one's evil actions in the name of God and Goodness. I doubt it was designed for that purpose (it seems like it was garbled together by lots of different idiots, to be honest), but it certainly can be used and has been used for that purpose.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 1:32 pm
(November 23, 2017 at 4:31 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: If we are to take the bible literally (as the original authors intended it) we read that the xtian god is responsible for mass murder (eg flooding the world killing millions of living beings), infanticide (eg the Egyptian exodus), the destruction of entire villages (Sodom and Gomorrah), etc, etc. I can't go on for two reasons. It is a horrific litany of murders and it is a very long list. Suffice it to say it is a list of murders estimated in the vicinity of 25 million people let alone all the other living beings. For those interested, you can see the complete horrific list here:
Drunk With Blood
So, my question to the xtians is, how do you reconcile an "ethical" god with the god in the bible that has committed all these atrocities?
He can't murder, that would be a sin and against who God is. God is the perfect, righteous creator who owns all the universe and all that it contains. It is His right to deal with it as He see's fit in accordance to His plan. God also judges the people who die before their lives are taken and if found guilty He has the right to end those lives, they actually belong to Him. You as all people think and live in a physical world, God deals in the spiritual and spiritual world, this means we are incapable of seeing the real truth as God eternal does.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 1:34 pm
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Do you even know exactly what this "God" you believe in is? Something like "The perfect being who created the universe" is rather vague, you know. What exactly is this perfect being that created the universe, in which you call "God"? And how can there be evidence of him, when we live in a physical reality, and he is non-physical?
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 1:42 pm
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(November 25, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (November 25, 2017 at 1:21 pm)Godscreated Wrote: King David wrote that this would be an impossible task.
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Sorry, misread the quote. You meant the getting away would be impossible. Not the invincible part. But some christians believe seperation from god is a thing that happens. So what about that?
Correct, yet He is invincible. That is the eternal punishment not living in the moment.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 25, 2017 at 1:54 pm
(November 25, 2017 at 1:42 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (November 25, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Sorry, misread the quote. You meant the getting away would be impossible. Not the invincible part. But some christians believe seperation from god is a thing that happens. So what about that?
Correct, yet He is invincible. That is the eternal punishment not living in the moment.
GC
I find that very questionable. As much as anyone who thinks they have cart Blanche to do whatever they want just because they created something a long time ago. Nothing is truly invincible. Given enough power, anything can be threatened. Your god certainly seemed threatened by Humans growing too powerful in the older bible stories. "They've taken from the tree of knowledge, and have become like us Hurry and stop them from eating the fruit of eternal life".
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 26, 2017 at 4:00 am
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(November 25, 2017 at 6:57 am)alpha male Wrote: (November 24, 2017 at 7:28 pm)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: He is judge, jury and executioner.
Exactly. It's special pleading to refer to killing by such as murder.
Quote:Murder is killing. Killing is unethical. God is unethical. Simple logical conclusion.
Rather, a simplistic conclusion based on a faulty premise. While murder is necessarily killing, killing isn't necessarily murder. My late father volunteered to go to Europe and kill Germans. No one called him a murderer. Millions of turkeys were eaten in the US a couple days ago. They were killed. Police aren't raiding the turkey farms.
Quote:NO! I don't eat my relatives, but thanks for the offer. Really? Is it special pleading to call 9/11 an atrocity?
No, but it would be special pleading to call the killing of Bin Laden murder, at least in the US. Those SEALs weren't put in jail for it that I recall.
Quote:Mass murder is an atrocity no matter to whom it is attributed.
You haven't established anything God has done as murder.
Quote:Oops, yet another personal attack. The tally increases...
Xtians attacking BBZ: several million + 1
BBF attacking xtians: 0
Still holding to my ethics...
Yeah, the ethical child abuser. 
Ok, I see what you are doing here. You are creating a special form of killing called murder which is "bad" and reserving a special form of killing which you are going to call "good". It's a special rarefied universe that xtians live in which allows this kind of mental gymnastics that turns unethical actions into ethical ones. Let me tell you something that you may not be aware of. All killing is unethical. End of story. Did that shock you? I guess when you come of a very loose moral stance as xtians tend to do (they have to to justify all the killing their god does as "good"), it's a shock to hear about a morality or ethical standpoint that is superior to that derived from the bible.
Your god is described in the bible as killing millions of living beings. This is unethical. Not much you can do to wriggle out of that. Then mental gymnastics that you have engaged in your post above still doesn't excuse the mass killings of a maniacal god.
The tally increases once again...
Xtians attacking BBZ: several million + 2
BBF attacking xtians: 0
Still holding to my ethics...
(November 25, 2017 at 1:32 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (November 23, 2017 at 4:31 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: If we are to take the bible literally (as the original authors intended it) we read that the xtian god is responsible for mass murder (eg flooding the world killing millions of living beings), infanticide (eg the Egyptian exodus), the destruction of entire villages (Sodom and Gomorrah), etc, etc. I can't go on for two reasons. It is a horrific litany of murders and it is a very long list. Suffice it to say it is a list of murders estimated in the vicinity of 25 million people let alone all the other living beings. For those interested, you can see the complete horrific list here:
Drunk With Blood
So, my question to the xtians is, how do you reconcile an "ethical" god with the god in the bible that has committed all these atrocities?
He can't murder, that would be a sin and against who God is. God is the perfect, righteous creator who owns all the universe and all that it contains. It is His right to deal with it as He see's fit in accordance to His plan. God also judges the people who die before their lives are taken and if found guilty He has the right to end those lives, they actually belong to Him. You as all people think and live in a physical world, God deals in the spiritual and spiritual world, this means we are incapable of seeing the real truth as God eternal does.
GC
He killed millions of living beings. That's not perfect or righteous, that's unethical.
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