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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 28, 2017 at 3:15 am
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So, what you are saying is God is Emperor Palatine, and Satan is Luke Skywalker?
And you chose to follow the Emperor?
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 28, 2017 at 4:17 am
(November 27, 2017 at 8:32 pm)chica__45 Wrote: I think these examples you have of an evil God is wrong and grossly misunderstood. For example, the infantcide in genesis is because of the Pharaoh and also because the devil wanted to destroy the chance of there being someone rise up from amongst the hebrews to become the saviour of the world and therefore defeat Satan. Another example is the story of Noah. The flood caused massive damage and the loss of thousands of lives. However, these lives were of people who were half human and half angels. These angels are from the 1/3 of angels who followed Lucifer when he fell from heaven. Anyone can check this out for themselves of they cared to look. Thoroughly read the bible before you use examples to support your claim/s.
It depends on whether you think that killing is ethical and therefore justifiable. Some think that killing is unethical and cannot be justified under any circumstance.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 28, 2017 at 4:17 am
Saying that earth's "deep rock layers" are killers for all earthquake death is insane.
Saying that the "sun" doesn't have a heart is hilarious.
Saying that outer space is an emotionless prick, that kills people who don't find oxygen is even more stupid.
What is this, but a putting of God in the shoes of man? God is not a man.
Christians who worship Jesus as God, commit a terrible illogical turn from authentic belief.
A God in the shoes of man is no God.
The sun doesn't have a heart.
The ground doesn't have feelings.
God is not a man.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 28, 2017 at 4:25 am
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(November 28, 2017 at 2:56 am)Starhunter Wrote: About 2.4 billion died in the flood. Really? You plucked that arbitrary number from where exactly? And why is it the same number as god's kill list?
And why do animals not count?
(November 28, 2017 at 2:56 am)Starhunter Wrote: Sodom and Gomorrah close to 400,000 counting those in the surrounding cities. S and G? OK what was so bad about S & G? Nobody ever says because nobody has the foggiest clue.
(November 28, 2017 at 2:56 am)Starhunter Wrote: Around 8 billion at the end of the world.
(November 28, 2017 at 2:56 am)Starhunter Wrote: The Author of the rebellion against God is Satan, so anyone who adheres to the deeds or philosophy of this liar and murderer is as good as dead. No. Attempting to attribute anything to an imaginary being is a fools errand.
I am not quite sure how you would like to manage a world, let alone a universe where crime is acceptable - betrayal, lying, greed, murder, rape, the list is endless. Would you, like Lot, offer up your daughter's to be raped? I wouldn't but you would, that makes you morally bankrupt.
(November 28, 2017 at 2:56 am)Starhunter Wrote: (November 28, 2017 at 2:56 am)Starhunter Wrote: God will not sustain or perpetuate sin or sinners. You have absolutely no idea of what happened before the flood, or in Sodom. Don't I? You are now claiming that the bible is false. The bible explicitly claims exactly what happened before the flood. Is the bible wrong?
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 28, 2017 at 8:42 am
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(November 28, 2017 at 4:17 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Saying that earth's "deep rock layers" are killers for all earthquake death is insane.
Saying that the "sun" doesn't have a heart is hilarious.
Saying that outer space is an emotionless prick, that kills people who don't find oxygen is even more stupid.
What is this, but a putting of God in the shoes of man? God is not a man.
Christians who worship Jesus as God, commit a terrible illogical turn from authentic belief.
A God in the shoes of man is no God.
The sun doesn't have a heart.
The ground doesn't have feelings.
God is not a man.
Actually, it's just treating the fiction of god like a potentially competent moral agent. A being that knows the difference between right and wrong, and can act on that knowledge. More accurately, it's pointing out that the authors of the fiction were terrible people, and that people who justify it today are no better, lol. If you'd like to convince me, however, that god is somehow incompetent, be my guest?
As far as christians and their "illogical turn from authentic belief", meh..no more or less so than the descriptions of god in your own magic book. If it's a problem for them, it's a problem for you...is it a problem?
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 28, 2017 at 12:57 pm
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(November 28, 2017 at 8:42 am)Khemikal Wrote: Actually, it's just treating the fiction of god like a potentially competent moral agent. A being that knows the difference between right and wrong, and can act on that knowledge. More accurately, it's pointing out that the authors of the fiction were terrible people, and that people who justify it today are no better, lol. If you'd like to convince me, however, that god is somehow incompetent, be my guest?
As far as christians and their "illogical turn from authentic belief", meh..no more or less so than the descriptions of god in your own magic book. If it's a problem for them, it's a problem for you...is it a problem?
Imagine this:
1-Void. Just void. Just nothing.
2-God comes forth. How? IDK. It's the same principle with the origins of the universe in the Big Bang theory.
3-Right and wrong, are created by him. He made them from nothing. What is he? IDK; but it seems that he creates things out of nothing.
Right and wrong are only valid inside your tiny little bubble you call "the universe". And even in this universe; the right and wrong can be redefined over and over and over. Just read about the behavior of black holes and other celestial objects.
I agree with you that authors of fiction are quite horrible: that's why the Creator made his revelation so clear to be seen.
you don't have the intro of the story. The intro is NA. Nobody has it but God.
Thus; humans are the incompetent ones.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 28, 2017 at 1:00 pm
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So, is god a being capable of discerning the difference between right and wrong, and acting on that knowledge..or not?
Are the distinctly anthropomorphic descriptions of god in your magic book and christian's magic book, and jew's magic book a problem, or are they not?
IDK whether or not humans are incompetent as a whole, but it's certainly starting to look like at least one of them may be..............................do you understand what you're saying, or what I'm asking you?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 28, 2017 at 1:12 pm
(November 28, 2017 at 4:17 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Saying that earth's "deep rock layers" are killers for all earthquake death is insane.
Saying that the "sun" doesn't have a heart is hilarious.
Saying that outer space is an emotionless prick, that kills people who don't find oxygen is even more stupid.
What is this, but a putting of God in the shoes of man? God is not a man.
Christians who worship Jesus as God, commit a terrible illogical turn from authentic belief.
A God in the shoes of man is no God.
The sun doesn't have a heart.
The ground doesn't have feelings.
God is not a man.
And how do we expect this god to understand and lead us, if he's so far removed from us? Saying he's not a man, and shouldn't be beholden to our ways of thinking doesn't really solve the problem. You're just left with the question of, how can you tell this thing is good, and has our best interests at heart. Apparently he doesn't, and shouldn't be followed.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 28, 2017 at 8:37 pm
(November 25, 2017 at 1:34 pm)Hammy Wrote: Do you even know exactly what this "God" you believe in is? Something like "The perfect being who created the universe" is rather vague, you know. What exactly is this perfect being that created the universe, in which you call "God"? And how can there be evidence of him, when we live in a physical reality, and he is non-physical? According to the book of Ezekiel the God character is a living SOB with a real nasty mean streak.
Ezekiel 5:11 (NLT) = 11 “As surely as I live, says the Sovereign Lord, I will cut you off completely. I will show you no pity at all because you have defiled my Temple with your vile images and detestable sins."
The biblical God character was simply the series of men who ruled the various dominant Middle Eastern empires in ancient times. The last one died with the collapse of the Babylonian Empire and he will never return.
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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 29, 2017 at 4:19 am
(November 27, 2017 at 11:17 pm)Hammy Wrote: (November 25, 2017 at 1:42 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Correct, yet He is invincible. That is the eternal punishment not living in the moment.
GC
The fact God is invincible is not remotely impressive. Something nonexistent isn't exactly capable of being vincible.
One day you will find out just how invincible God is and yes you will be impressed.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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