How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?

[Aroura]

Bloodthirsty:

The Lord has a sword; it is sated with blood. Isaiah 34:6...

and so on and on

Well done, some people have a problem with a God who puts an end to hardened crims, their supporting codependent families, and their damaged offspring.
I'm just wondering how long he should give life and support a city full of peds.
What are your preferences? 
And BTW which one of these threats by God was actually carried out, and on which occasions did it turn the tide of corruption?

Never. In the story book, it never works. Every time he murders people for their supposed corruption, more corruption eventually takes place and he needs to do it again later. What a stupid character.

In reality, there is no evidence any of those city or planet wide god murders happened, so also never.

[Fake Messiah]

Yeah I have problem with killing babies, like anyone else that isn't a psychopath or brainwashed Christian. And their parents since people like Canaanites did nothing wrong except being at the wrong place.

But if God cleans the earth of its destructive inhabitants, so that future generations can have some semblance of a normal life, we call him a tyrant.

Cleans from destructive inhabitants? He orders killing of babies and then rape of women, I guess women were clean enough but not the babies
Isaiah 13:11–16 I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. … Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated.

When god killed non-Israelite, like that, he killed them because he was jealous
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. (Exodus 20:4–6)

So indeed why would someone, like you or anyone, worship and apologize for such flawed and evil creature? God proudly announces: "I am a jealous God!" Jealousy is insecurity. It is the fear that someone you love will not love you back, a dread that they will choose someone else. It is possessive and controlling, based on an assumed right of ownership. It is shaky vanity. It is the terror of losing the property that bolsters your sense of self-worth. It's pathetic. Yes, your god is a pathetic loser.

Exodus 34:14–15 For you shall worship no other god, because the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. You shall not make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to their gods, someone among them will invite you, and you will eat of the sacrifice.

Notice the word "prostitute." That’s like calling a wife or girlfriend a "slut" because she talks to another man.

Deuteronomy 6:15 The Lord your God, who is present with you, is a jealous God. The anger of the Lord your God would be kindled against you and he would destroy you from the face of the earth.

Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.

Zechariah 1:14–15 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy. And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction.

And so on. And these were the reasons to kill nations that did not acknowledge him, but when it comes to his "beloved" Israelite he killed them for all sorts of trivial reasons, like when he deliberately made bad laws in order to "horrify" his people
Ezekiel 20:25–26 So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live; I defiled them through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the Lord.

Or killing 50 000 people for looking at the box, 1 Samuel 6:19 He smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men
Is that just? Is that normal? Is that worth worshiping?

God punishes indiscriminately, both the good and the bad, with his sword
Ezekiel 21:3–5 Thus says the Lord: Behold, I am against you, and will draw forth my sword out of its sheath, and will cut off from you both righteous and wicked. Because I will cut off from you both righteous and wicked, therefore my sword shall go out of its sheath against all flesh from south to north.

He even punished David's wives as for his sin as well as killed his newborn son

2 Samuel 12:11 Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.

Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly scorned the Lord, the child that is born to you shall die.

Or when he in 2 Samuel 21:4–14 killed seven of Saul's sons and grandsons to end the famine. Could he not just end it instead of killing people, even children? Or you still see this as cleaning the nation from destructive inhabitants?

I mean you are non Catholic christian meaning you came from the rebellious Protestants, who also want to believe that "all the congregation are holy," inquired that same from the Holy Roman Church. Because you have the same situation when Korah (we could call him precursor to Martin Luther) and 250 leaders of the Levite tribe thought that was not right that Moses was the ordained leader of the Israelites, and all of God's instructions came exclusively through him and his brother Aaron, the high priest - a nice nepotism.
Numbers 16:3 You have gone too far! All the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them. So why then do you exalt yourselves above the assembly of the Lord?

Is that not a good question valued by your own branch of Christianity? Is that not the same question Protestants, who also believed that "all the congregation are holy," asked the pope "Why do clergy exalt themselves above the congregation?"

And yet when that thing happened Moses, like all autocrats and popes throughout history, labeled his detractors "wicked men." Their honest question was called a "sin." The earth cracked open and swallowed good, thinking protestants, because "these men have despised the Lord."
Numbers 16:28–33 As soon as he finished speaking all these words, the ground under them was split apart. The earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, along with their households—everyone who belonged to Korah and all their goods. So they with all that belonged to them went down alive into Sheol; the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly.

So, as you say it, God is purging the land from people like you.

[Banned]

He holds out on his judgement. Yeah, because killing and bloodshed is about the only thing he knows how to do. It's not like he knows how to really fix society's problems. Oh yeah, he suffers so much, apparently being able to speak everything he needs into existence, and have the power to do anything he wants. Are you for real? We're over here putting blood sweat and tears into solving the problems in the world, while theists claim that if we pray hard enough, it will somehow fix our country. Despite the fct that highly religious countries have the same problems as anything else. Except adding more oppression and less freedom into the mix.

What good are warnings if there isn't any substantial solution that comes with it? You refer to genocide as "cleaning the world". That's where the disconnect is. Killing people isn't solving the problem. Yes, the world is ok in many places. And it's the secular democracies where that goodness most comes from. Not theocracies where people cling to holy books and pray at deities that aren't there.

You might like to put some suggestions in the box as to how the world should be run.

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Well done, some people have a problem with a God who puts an end to hardened crims, their supporting codependent families, and their damaged offspring.
I'm just wondering how long he should give life and support a city full of peds.
What are your preferences? 
And BTW which one of these threats by God was actually carried out, and on which occasions did it turn the tide of corruption?

Never.  In the story book, it never works.  Every time he murders people for their supposed corruption, more corruption eventually takes place and he needs to do it again later. What a stupid character.

In reality, there is no evidence any of those city or planet wide god murders happened, so also never.

So if the Bible is fake history, what's your problem?

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He holds out on his judgement. Yeah, because killing and bloodshed is about the only thing he knows how to do. It's not like he knows how to really fix society's problems. Oh yeah, he suffers so much, apparently being able to speak everything he needs into existence, and have the power to do anything he wants. Are you for real? We're over here putting blood sweat and tears into solving the problems in the world, while theists claim that if we pray hard enough, it will somehow fix our country. Despite the fct that highly religious countries have the same problems as anything else. Except adding more oppression and less freedom into the mix.

What good are warnings if there isn't any substantial solution that comes with it? You refer to genocide as "cleaning the world". That's where the disconnect is. Killing people isn't solving the problem. Yes, the world is ok in many places. And it's the secular democracies where that goodness most comes from. Not theocracies where people cling to holy books and pray at deities that aren't there.

You're arguing with a guy whose church gave birth to the Branch Davidians and who's greatest "modern prophet" was a woman despite their adamant belief that women cannot hold positions of authority in the church.

You can make comments directly to me. Just press the reply button on my post.

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But if God cleans the earth of its destructive inhabitants, so that future generations can have some semblance of a normal life, we call him a tyrant.

Cleans from destructive inhabitants? He orders killing of babies and then rape of women, .....

So, as you say it, God is purging the land from people like you.

I think you are dishonest in the way that you quote the Bible, and it is obvious to any scholar that you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. 
I think your talk is also higly immotive. I can't help you with your personal problems.

BTW there is no point in using quotes from fake Bibles with me, they are easily recognised and dismissed.

Perhaps you might like to be more clear about what you want from me, state what would you like me to feel from your writing, it may save you pages of ranting.

[The Grand Nudger]

So if the Bible is fake history, what's your problem?

It's your problem, actually.  -The- problem is that people who believe it really did happen trip over themselves to justify those things, as you did, and this is precisely how -actual- genocides occur. Any person who's convinced themselves that the author of goodness engaged in righteous ethnic cleansing is exactly the kind of person I'd recruit to operate the ovens at a my death camp. Any person who's convinced themselves that the lord of the cosmos told his shock troops to capture little girls, in his benevolence.... is exactly the kind of person I'd put at he tip of my village burning spear.

[Cod]

You might like to put some suggestions in the box as to how the world should be run.

Okay. Without religion.

Oh I see what you mean, you want us to pretend that the world is being run by a God, and you want us to suggest how he could up his game?

[Chad32]

He holds out on his judgement. Yeah, because killing and bloodshed is about the only thing he knows how to do. It's not like he knows how to really fix society's problems. Oh yeah, he suffers so much, apparently being able to speak everything he needs into existence, and have the power to do anything he wants. Are you for real? We're over here putting blood sweat and tears into solving the problems in the world, while theists claim that if we pray hard enough, it will somehow fix our country. Despite the fct that highly religious countries have the same problems as anything else. Except adding more oppression and less freedom into the mix.

What good are warnings if there isn't any substantial solution that comes with it? You refer to genocide as "cleaning the world". That's where the disconnect is. Killing people isn't solving the problem. Yes, the world is ok in many places. And it's the secular democracies where that goodness most comes from. Not theocracies where people cling to holy books and pray at deities that aren't there.

You might like to put some suggestions in the box as to how the world should be run.

Do I really have to argue that a secular democracy is better than a theocratic dictatorship? As if these kinds of things haven't been tested before, and one doesn't prove substantially better for Humanity than the other? You have admitted that the world is pretty ok right now. You just seem to give credit to your deity for this, despite the best places in the world being somewhat socialist, with very little power in the hands of theocrats.

[Fake Messiah]

Perhaps you might like to be more clear about what you want from me, state what would you like me to feel from your writing, it may save you pages of ranting.

I want from you as the topic title wants you to explain: how can you worship such mass murderer and overall immoral monster? But it seems you can't and now you're calling "fake news" and "fake Bibles".

it is obvious to any scholar that you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

Then explain it to me in your scholarly way why is god murdering everybody and commanding people to rape women. This makes you look like you can't and that you're angry at me and trying to attack me ad hominem, like you don't have any arguments and even going so desperate to say I invented those verses. I mean you are dishonest liar and not me.

But the truth is that Christians are very well aware that their god is angry asshole, I mean just look at some hymns like "In Christ Alone" which contains the line "Till on that cross as Jesus died / The wrath of God was satisfied." Indeed that line bothers kind and peaceful people to think they might be worshiping a god of wrath that in 2013 Presbyterian Church in the United States came under criticism when it dropped the song from its hymnbook. It embarrasses them to think the plan of salvation reduces to appeasing the demanding anger of a hot-tempered father.

[Aroura]

Never.  In the story book, it never works.  Every time he murders people for their supposed corruption, more corruption eventually takes place and he needs to do it again later. What a stupid character.

In reality, there is no evidence any of those city or planet wide god murders happened, so also never.

So if the Bible is fake history, what's your problem?

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I don't have a problem, I was just answering his question.  You didn't like my answer? Sounds like you have the problem.
I keep having to explain this to people, but:
The bible is taken as fact by millions.  So I have to deal with it on that level.
The bible, even if not taken as fact, is part of western culture.  There are references in songs, movies, tv, books, paintings, restaurant names, etc.  I like understanding my culture, so knowing the bible and it's stories are still important, even though it's mostly fictional.
I put the same stock in knowing other important cultural things. For instance, I have read many classic books (Frankenstein, Moby Dick, Pride and Prejudice, and so forth), and watched the old movies that are still referenced today (like Casablanca, Citizen Kane, The Maltese Falcon, REar Window, and so forth).
Discussing the characters in the bible is not different from discussing the character in Harry Potter, or Star Wars.  I take an interest in it all.  I think knowing things and discussing them with others is preferable to not.

[Ravenshire]

You can make comments directly to me. Just press the reply button on my post.

Yeah, I think I understand how the reply button works, and I applied it appropriatly. Thing is, I wasn't replying to you and if you actually read my comment, you would have understood that.

[Chad32]

You can make comments directly to me. Just press the reply button on my post.

Yeah, I think I understand how the reply button works, and I applied it appropriately. Thing is, I wasn't replying to you and if you actually read my comment, you would have understood that.

I don't think I got around to responding to your reply, but I do understand the feeling of talking to people who seem to think on an entirely different train of thought than I do. Sometimes I wonder why I even reply to them at all.