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Statler Waldorf - Raising from the dead.
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 (November 9, 2010 at 10:51 am)Chuck Wrote:(November 9, 2010 at 10:42 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: There is hope then ...Yes??? Much better than world peace...agreed 
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
 (November 6, 2010 at 5:33 am)tackattack Wrote: ”The laws of nature are the way we describe how the world usually works. If someone drops an apple, it falls to the floor. That’s gravity. However, if someone were to drop an apple and I were to reach over and grab it before it hit the ground, I wouldn’t be overturning the law of gravity. I would simply be intervening. In a similar way, God is able to reach into the world that he created by performing a miracle. He isn’t contravening or overturning the laws of nature. He’s simply intervening” - J.P. Moreland Is J.P. Moreland familiar by any chance with the force of electromagnetism which is far stronger than that of gravity? The force of electromagnetism negates the force of gravity to the extent, that a human can pick up an apple which is being dropped.
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I don't know if he was farmiliar with it, but did you miss the point?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari (November 23, 2010 at 3:08 am)tackattack Wrote: I don't know if he was farmiliar with it, but did you miss the point? No I not, since J.P. Moreland is saying something which happens all the time in nature (namely items being picked up) is some how an intervention in the laws of nature.
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So then if miracles are intervening and not in violation of the laws of Nature, why is there such a big hulabaloo over them?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari 
There is no outside intervention in nature, so there is no miracle.
The thing about raising the dead is that not only are there modern instances of it, but it's been studied and natural processes were proven to be in play.
In this case - making zombies.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925 Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan RE: Statler Waldorf - Raising from the dead.
November 24, 2010 at 1:16 am
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(November 23, 2010 at 7:54 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: The thing about raising the dead is that not only are there modern instances of it, but it's been studied and natural processes were proven to be in play. It makes you wonder if people in biblical times were creating potions similar to those used in Haiti to make people appear dead, then sometime later they wake up, appearing to others that they had been resurrected from the dead. 
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RE: Statler Waldorf - Raising from the dead.
November 24, 2010 at 3:42 am
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(November 24, 2010 at 1:16 am)ziggystardust Wrote: It makes you wonder if people in biblical times were creating potions similar to those used in Haiti to make people appear dead, then sometime later they wake up, appearing to others that they had been resurrected from the dead. I don't know but now I have an image of a zombie Jesus in my head and that is a wonderful gift. ![[Image: zombie-jesus-jared-hindman.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=blog.dtkelly.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F03%2Fzombie-jesus-jared-hindman.jpg) My favorite thing that I've ever heard anywhere in regards to creationism actually comes from the above link about Zombie Jesus: Uncyclopedia Wrote:Creationism came about after an inbreeding experiment produced a mutant gene that allowed otherwise normal humans to continue to walk and talk after their brains had already been consumed.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925 Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan RE: Statler Waldorf - Raising from the dead.
November 24, 2010 at 8:31 am
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(November 24, 2010 at 3:42 am)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: I don't know but now I have an image of a zombie Jesus in my head and that is a wonderful gift. lol, I was not actually thinking of Jesus, because people being raised from the dead occurs a few times in both the old and new testaments. Also Jesus and his apostles in the New Testament were mentioned raising people from the dead, I was thinking of that rather than the story of the resurrection of Jesus. It makes you think if people back in New Testament times were using the same sort of stuff as Haiti voodoo priests to drug people, make them appear dead and then come out of their graves or appear to suddenly leap back to life.
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