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RE: Elizabeth Warren = Pocohontas
November 28, 2017 at 10:36 am
(November 28, 2017 at 9:58 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (November 28, 2017 at 7:04 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: He used it in front of native Americans on an occasion meant to honor them?
It's offensive in any occasion. Saying it on twitter is saying it in public because Natives see it.
Out of 7 billion humans, I think it is a bit of a stretch to expect others to never offend each other. HAVING SAID THAT, the west evolved to be less violent because politicians in the west WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO BE, have learned they have the role of diplomat and a different standard than that of the private sector.
Yes even in the private sector it is a shitty thing to say, but it is gas on the fire when a politician does it and comments like his are toxic in political diplomacy.
Those very same soldiers fought a horrible politician who rose to power using the politics of scapegoating and vilifying rivals. 45 proves day after day and tweet after tweet how divisive and dangerous he is to western values. The idiot does not seem to understand he is no longer a private citizen.
Mitt regretted his 47% comment. Hillary regretted her "deplorable" comment. But neither of them went day after day attacking MULTIPLE groups, races, religions, intel and media. McCain when he ran didn't talk like 45. Bush Jr, nor Sr nor Reagan conducted their politics like Trump has.
If anyone says "Trump has the right" and or "Well it worked", those are missing the point and failing to learn the lessons of history.
Trump is beyond politics now. He is beyond politics as usual. He is on a very dangerous path and in the end if more politicians see his tactic of scapegoating as a winning formula, you will see eventually the end of political pluralism. No, it doesn't have to happen, but to assume it will not is where the false sense of security can hurt us long term. Only partaking in using your own voice, only voting at every level, and speaking out every day, that is the only thing that protects a free society, not apathy, not assuming.
Natives were here long before Europeans came over. Andrew Jackson was a horrible man who committed Genocide out of revenge on Natives. It is not only insulting to both Vets and Natives who fought in WW2. It is dangerous to forget that those Natives fought a horrible man who got an entire nation to murder 6 million Jews via the politics of scapegoating. It is an insult to human decency and should be insulting to all humans, to forget this is to eventually repeat it.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren = Pocohontas
November 28, 2017 at 10:50 am
(This post was last modified: November 28, 2017 at 10:57 am by The Industrial Atheist.)
(November 28, 2017 at 9:56 am)Brian37 Wrote: (November 28, 2017 at 9:47 am)Industrial Lad Wrote: Ok now i saw the video of it. He's an asshole but he manages to have disorganized speech patterns while he's at it. How the hell did this incompetent fool get 40 some percent of the country to vote for him?
While I am for a free press and for free speech, I will say we have had a flood of garbage for decades. Long before Jerry Springer you had Morton Downey, then the rise in popularity of "reality TV" with garbage like "The Real World". WWE , tabloid magazines, and crappy networks like "Farts News".
NO, you are not going to get rid of all of it. But all that cheap quick satisfaction I really do think has created a very shallow political environment.
I do however see more and more getting tired of this.
You know I actually watched Monday Night Raw (WWE) for a while a few months ago. It was actually ok and less about shock value than it was in the early 2000's.
But yeah Trump is garbage. He's done nothing worthy of admiration. I never cared to watch "The Apprentice."
(November 28, 2017 at 10:21 am)DLJ Wrote: (November 28, 2017 at 9:47 am)Industrial Lad Wrote: ...
How the hell did this incompetent fool get 40 some percent of the country to vote for him?
He didn't.
The incompetent fool got some 19.4 percent of the country to vote for him.
Clinton got 20.3%.
The remaining 60.3% were either too old or too young... or were ineligible to vote because they'd been in prison on some trumped up drug offence.
This low turn-out, btw, the keen-eyed will have noticed, is the weakness in the gerrymandering tactic.
It's a good point that people shouldn't be looked in a cage for putting what they want in their body. Drugs should be decriminalized but regulated. The most dangerous ones should still be illegal. Maybe provide a safer alternative.
If someone has addiction which is a medical issue, not a criminal issue, perhaps they should be forced into treatment. But I think jailing people for that only hardens them, and maybe even forces people who aren't bad people into gangs for protection.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren = Pocohontas
November 28, 2017 at 11:59 am
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(November 28, 2017 at 7:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: So..... should I be insulted?
No you should be mad as hell, and not going to take it any more.
(November 28, 2017 at 9:47 am)Industrial Lad Wrote: Ok now i saw the video of it. He's an asshole but he manages to have disorganized speech patterns while he's at it. How the hell did this incompetent fool get 40 some percent of the country to vote for him?
40% of the country are so fucked up mentally they'd vote for the Devil if he had an R beside his name, even if he was in the booth with them, raping their arses.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren = Pocohontas
November 28, 2017 at 12:05 pm
(November 28, 2017 at 5:30 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Trump is the most racist President ever.
Probably not. But he is the first to have Twitter, no sense of impulse control and a big fucking mouth.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren = Pocohontas
November 28, 2017 at 12:33 pm
(November 28, 2017 at 11:59 am)Wololo Wrote: 40% of the country are so fucked up mentally they'd vote for the Devil if he had an R beside his name, even if he was in the booth with them, raping their arses.
In some cases, I suspect the proper way to put it would be, ". . . especially if he was in the booth with them, raping their arses."
Of course, that assumes the Devil is good enough to give the Reverend plausible deniability.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren = Pocohontas
November 28, 2017 at 1:33 pm
(November 28, 2017 at 5:30 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Trump is the most racist President ever.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren = Pocohontas
November 28, 2017 at 3:07 pm
(November 28, 2017 at 10:10 am)pocaracas Wrote: (November 28, 2017 at 9:56 am)Brian37 Wrote: While I am for a free press and for free speech, I will say we have had a flood of garbage for decades. Long before Jerry Springer you had Morton Downey, then the rise in popularity of "reality TV" with garbage like "The Real World". WWE , tabloid magazines, and crappy networks like "Farts News".
NO, you are not going to get rid of all of it. But all that cheap quick satisfaction I really do think has created a very shallow political environment.
I do however see more and more getting tired of this.
yeah... people were tired of the establishment, the same old politics... so they voted for the businessman buffoon...
Now, they're getting tired of what?... This is what they wanted! Reality show government.
Most didn't want this, in fact almost 3 million more did not want this. And I am quite sure the swing voters for the most part didn't want him either but didn't like Hillary.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren = Pocohontas
November 28, 2017 at 3:59 pm
(November 28, 2017 at 5:30 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Trump is the most racist President ever.
Not sure he's the most racist, but he's certainly the most outspoken in his bigotry.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren = Pocohontas
November 28, 2017 at 4:23 pm
Real world steps up to the plate, people.
Trumply's base eats up the 'Pocahontas' characterization, they aren't going to all simultaneously slap their foreheads and say they 'get it' now and come around to turning on their Prez.
From their point of view*, the statement, as a jibe against Warren, is anti-racist as she falsely co-opted Native Americanism for personal gain. He clearly noted the code talkers being honored at the ceremony are the real deal and Elizabeth ain't. Tough point to quibble with although I'm noting many craven attempts.
The best/only way out of this morass is for Warren to wrest the issue from Trump's quiver and to proudly submit the results of her AncestryDNA and rub his stupid fucking nose in it. Make the SOB EAT THIS FUCKING TURD SANDWICH.
It's called 'winning' for those who've forgotten the concept.
*see how that might help hone a response to Trumply-ism ?? Try and see how it looks from THAT side and endeavor to neutralize the issue from there. That Warren is persisting in being complicit in this issue that is benefitting Trumply in the eyes of HIS supporters is RAPIDLY eroding my enthusiasm for seeing her continue in the senate, let alone any higher office.
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