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Basically, the movie is about letting go of the past, that there are no happy endings. Every "win" is temporary, even hero can make massive mistakes, and how despite all this depressing BS, never give up hope, accept mistakes and learn from your failures. It's a devdevisive message, and sort of ironically, the people who can't follow the message of the movie regarding the movie itself are often the same ones who dont like it. And frankly thats pretty meta, and interesting!
It's a grim, adult, gritty message, and some people are really struggling to see their childhood hero as a flawed person.
Personally, I can't imagine a more fitting and beautiful story arc with an incredible conclusion for Luke. I found it deeply moving.
RE: New Star Wars movie is well received by the critics.
December 21, 2017 at 12:06 pm
(December 21, 2017 at 10:00 am)Aroura Wrote: . Every "win" is temporary, even hero can make massive mistakes, and how despite all this depressing BS, never give up hope, accept mistakes and learn from your failures.
In hindsight, Snokes death really tied in well to Luke taking the lightsaber and tossing it over his shoulder at the start. All the Jedi Master/Legend/Power that everybody keeps hyping up usually doesn't mean anything in the end. And time and time again, people who have put too much emphasis in it have failed or ended up dead. And yet people keep acting like it's the answer.
So it was fitting a Supreme leader with all sorts of power got sloppy and quickly met such a mundane death.
RE: New Star Wars movie is well received by the critics.
December 21, 2017 at 12:08 pm (This post was last modified: December 21, 2017 at 12:12 pm by Shell B.)
(December 21, 2017 at 1:54 am)ignoramus Wrote: I would be quite content if they took out all the shitty comedy from SW. (like Luke grabbing his light sabre and throwing it over his shoulder - that's just childish and very unbecoming for a master Jedi)
Yeah, he was a big baby.
(December 21, 2017 at 9:20 am)Aegon Wrote:
(December 20, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Shell B Wrote: a bit confused about the Rey/Finn/Rose dynamic. What da fuck is happening?
Episode IX's climax will be a threesome
I don't get why everyone is mad about Luke's character. It gave it depth, realism and struggle. That's what I want in a movie?
I don't know about depth, but I'm not really that mad. I don't find it in keeping with his character from previous films, but that's fine. Most of the old folks in my family are petty, so maybe that happens to everyone.
In all seriousness, I enjoyed the movie, but don't think it was the best or most exciting of the franchise.
Also, it was kind of sad to watch Carrie Fisher. You could see the effects of alcoholism-not on her performance, but on her face.
RE: New Star Wars movie is well received by the critics.
December 21, 2017 at 12:46 pm (This post was last modified: December 21, 2017 at 12:55 pm by Whateverist.)
(December 21, 2017 at 9:20 am)Aegon Wrote:
(December 20, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Shell B Wrote: a bit confused about the Rey/Finn/Rose dynamic. What da fuck is happening?
Episode IX's climax will be a threesome
I don't get why everyone is mad about Luke's character. It gave it depth, realism and struggle. That's what I want in a movie?
Much better than the celebratory hero worship at the end of many of the SW movies.
(December 21, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Shell B Wrote: I don't know about depth, but I'm not really that mad. I don't find it in keeping with his character from previous films, but that's fine. Most of the old folks in my family are petty, so maybe that happens to everyone.
I beg your pardon. I'll have you know that I've always been petty, concerned with small things and pretty snippy about it too.
RE: New Star Wars movie is well received by the critics.
December 21, 2017 at 12:58 pm
(December 21, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Shell B Wrote:
(December 21, 2017 at 1:54 am)ignoramus Wrote: I would be quite content if they took out all the shitty comedy from SW. (like Luke grabbing his light sabre and throwing it over his shoulder - that's just childish and very unbecoming for a master Jedi)
Yeah, he was a big baby.
Luke was a big baby for most of the original trilogy as well. Annakin, Luke, and Kylo were all whiny brats when young
Old Luke seems a lot like Yoda at the end as well. Yoda ended up a goofy little swamp troll swatting at R2 with a stick going "mine! mine! mine!"
Which seems fitting as Yoda also thought he was the shit, before overseeing a massive failure that ruined that galaxy.
RE: New Star Wars movie is well received by the critics.
December 21, 2017 at 2:16 pm (This post was last modified: December 21, 2017 at 2:31 pm by Drich.)
(December 16, 2017 at 3:32 pm)Aroura Wrote: A few random thoughts concerning the movie, things that struck me or that I wonder how will be resolved in the final chapter. Massive spoilers, don't look until after you see the movie.
Also, can we maybe start an open spoiler thread for this movie? So those who see it can chat without fear of accidentally spoiling someone else, and not having to use constant tags? Or should I just take my Fangirl self over to some SW forum to talk about it? lol. I'd rather talk to folks I know, though.
Luke said he would give Rey 3 lessons.
The first was in the nature of the Force.
The second was in the nature of the Jedi (and why he thought they needed to end).
Unless I'm much mistaken, he never got to give her the third lesson, she leaves after Ben reveals the truth and Luke confirms the origins of Kylo Ren.
the thrid was inadvertant, but makes sense with yoda's bit.. it was about making mistakes and learning from them.
Quote:I'm glad as hell that Rey is a nobody. I hated all the parental theories, and I do think that nobody parents was the correct choice (and it was my guess for ages now anyway, based on the info we had).
What truthful thing did ben solo ever say/do in this move franchise yet? everything he has said has been a deception. think luke laigha or luke vader and the ablitiy to connect. not because they are just jedi, but because they were related (over distance) Obi wan vader good example of close proxcimity recognition. but related force users could speak to each other over distance.
I know snkoe took credit for all the mid movie connections.. so who powers the end of movie connection? either snoke is not dead or there is something more between the solo twins/rey and ben.
Quote:What is going on with the mirrors in the pit?
Like she said it was supposed to inspire fear.. Just like the pit scene with luke. as soon as he strapped on his lazer sword and blaster yoda points out he fails. The test was about facing your fear and not allowing the dark side consume you. rather finding your self centering yourself in the mist of a fearful situation. Luke was supposed to face his greatest fear/vader with just Himself according to yoda which is why he failed right off. Rey faced her fear (being alone/facing herself) took control and found her way out of the cave.
Quote:That seemed like it was meant to echo how Luke faced a shadow of Vader and saw himself on Degobah, and indeed she has the same outcome when seeking her parents and finding herself. With Luke's vision, because he had to face the darkness in himself, the vision made more immediate sense. Maybe I'm slow, but I am not immediately picking out the meaning of this scene. Though I love that she confessed it to Ben, and he just listened. If anyone has thoughts on this scene, I'd love to hear them.
Ben listened because he had not been tested as she had. up to that point luke did not want his pupils to be exposed to the chance of temptation or failure.
Quote:So, I guess Snoke was no one, and we won't get a backstory on him?
Darth plagus.. The plagus music that played when palpatine spoke of him in AotC played when his throne room scene appeared. Also if luke could force project, then why not plagus? or better yet why not just do an amidallia/Padme' switcheroo? Someone pointed out that the facial scaring was quit a bit different from the holograms and the live action snoke.. Not only that in cannon darth maul survived his bifurcation. If Plagus is who he is supposed to be then death is nothing to Him. I like the force projected snoke idea better. we already know he does not have to be present to rag doll someone by the throat (hux allowing the rebels to go into hyperspace)
Quote: It's kind of an odd choice, to just kill him off so Ren can become the next Supreme Leader, but I'll go with it.
Such is the way of the sith.
Quote: Kinda wish we got something on Snoke, even like he's from outside their Galaxy, or just that he's someone really old who'd come back. I don't need 100% explained, but a blurb somewhere would be nice. Maybe we'll get it in the last movie.
I think he will be pulling strings to the last.
Quote:Forgive me this one weakness, but shirtless Adam Driver, and the wet glove bit a bit later...be still my beating heart. /fans self.
This makes up for years of you lads getting Leia in a gold bikini.
I think the only reason we got to see him shirtless was because there was more to see than if they made rey go shirtless.
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I'm sure more will occur to me, but I'll try and hold out until one of you fellows sees it so I have someone besides myself to talk to about these things, lol.
(December 17, 2017 at 3:18 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(December 16, 2017 at 11:10 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Spoiler alert! The Last Jedi is a Disney musical!
(Actually I was expecting Leia to break out with a "Frozen" song at one point!)
Okay, my power of self denial is small and exercising it fully does not take long.
So, my impression of the movie?
Blah. If it weren’t called Star Wars and didn’t start with blaring music and trapezoidal text crawl, it would be another of those entirely forgettable, run of the mill 1980s or 1990s sci-fi flicks that were designed to cash in on the Star Wars craze.
It had less outright deficiencies as a movie than the force awakens, but it also reduces perhaps some of the unfulfilled character depth potential introduced in the first move to simple plot points.
Also, some of the plot resolution is just shoddy. The thing with kilo Ren turning a light saber on snoke without snoke knowing, and there being no serious dramatic buildup consistent with the larger storyline that seem to adaquately justify snoke’s Hold on ren being broken, seems slap dash.where you in the bathroom when snoke down dressed kilo and told him to take of that silly helmet cause it made him look foolish? then what about the elevator ride down? where he smashes his helmet?? that was only of the last strong links he had to the past.. that would be like linus cutting up his blanket. kilo wore relics of more powerful sith lords to gap his own insecureities. smashing his helmet was him seperating from the things of the past including snoke and his role as an apprentice.
Quote: The elevation of the tantrum inclined kid kilo ren into the role of supreme leader of the dark side just cheapens the dark side and makes the whole story even more cartoony than weighty.
1 it is a kids movie 1st and foremost. 2 kilo is headed in a different direction, the whole franchise is. it is not about light and dark any more it is about this moral grey area you atheist types should embrace. Kilo is not dark, nor is he ligh as he can use both to a greater degree than a single light or dark side user. this was how luke defeated vader and the eporer (luke being the real choosen one not anikin bringing true balance to the force!) As luke was the first to be able to use both ight and dark side powers was able to be angry and not be consumed by it. ect... kilo was the darkside heavy version of luke.
Quote:All adults on both sides now seem dead, and movie 9 seem set to become about bratty teenage antagonists with superpowers going at each other in a afternoon 30 minutes cartoon.
Oh, Laura Dern makes a cameo, which is fitting because of the Jurassic world preview right before the main movie.
as was the first... this was just the handing off of the torch as it always meant to be if you read any of the books. or comics.
RE: New Star Wars movie is well received by the critics.
December 21, 2017 at 5:30 pm
I saw it last Saturday on my birthday with a group of my friends. I enjoyed it, was well worth the time to see it. One of the best plots of all the movies I thought. And I like Rey. She is a good strong female character.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."--Thomas Jefferson
RE: New Star Wars movie is well received by the critics.
December 26, 2017 at 8:40 pm
Finally got to see it today during a matinee. Not all that crowded.
I was surprised that my wife liked it. While it was probably better than most of the others, I think my enthusiasm for it is finally waning. There was one line, not sure who said it, to the effect that "no one ever dies". At that moment I felt cheapened for having worked so hard to find meaning in the series.
But then I remember early on hearing that Flash Gordon had been one of Lucas' inspirations for the movies. So then, yeah, good enough. I did like the Ren character but I don't know what to make of Kylo.
I'll watch episode 9 but I may not invest further in the spinoffs.
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December 27, 2017 at 12:32 am (This post was last modified: December 27, 2017 at 12:36 am by bennyboy.)
(December 26, 2017 at 8:40 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Finally got to see it today during a matinee. Not all that crowded.
I was surprised that my wife liked it. While it was probably better than most of the others, I think my enthusiasm for it is finally waning. There was one line, not sure who said it, to the effect that "no one ever dies". At that moment I felt cheapened for having worked so hard to find meaning in the series.
But then I remember early on hearing that Flash Gordon had been one of Lucas' inspirations for the movies. So then, yeah, good enough. I did like the Ren character but I don't know what to make of Kylo.
I'll watch episode 9 but I may not invest further in the spinoffs.
Kylo Ren is the best character in Star Wars, ever. I love that pure insidious evil.
I think the only reason we got to see him shirtless was because there was more to see than if they made rey go shirtless.
