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RE: Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.
December 28, 2017 at 2:02 pm
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(December 28, 2017 at 11:43 am)alpha male Wrote: (December 28, 2017 at 10:56 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Their homes, not the village where they were born if they were born somewhere else. They were required to go to where they lived.
Do you know that Joseph had settled in Nazareth at that point?
Yep, that's why it doesn't make sense for Joseph to go to Bethlehem for the census. It's over 90 miles.
(December 28, 2017 at 11:43 am)alpha male Wrote: (December 28, 2017 at 11:01 am)Grandizer Wrote: Who cares about the census?
Atheists mostly. For some reason it's not enough to simply not believe.
Yeah, we have reasons not to believe. Weird, huh?
(December 28, 2017 at 12:57 pm)alpha male Wrote: (December 28, 2017 at 12:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Books have been written on the subject. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find one.
None of which alters the fact that "Luke's" vision is historically absurd, economically unfeasible, geographically insane and politically mind-numbing!
If it was so absurd, why did people bother copying it and passing it around?
He asks in the age of rampant copying of absurd BS and passing it around.
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RE: Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.
December 28, 2017 at 2:41 pm
(December 28, 2017 at 2:02 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: (December 28, 2017 at 11:43 am)alpha male Wrote: Do you know that Joseph had settled in Nazareth at that point?
Yep,
How?
Quote:that's why it doesn't make sense for Joseph to go to Bethlehem for the census. It's over 90 miles.
Which indicates that he hadn't yet settled in Nazareth.
(December 28, 2017 at 11:43 am)alpha male Wrote: Yeah, we have reasons not to believe. Weird, huh?
What's weird is that you care whether other people believe.
(December 28, 2017 at 12:57 pm)alpha male Wrote: He asks in the age of rampant copying of absurd BS and passing it around.
Er, yes, in this age we do that, as it's really easy to do.
Back then, it took significant time and expense to make copies.
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RE: Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.
December 28, 2017 at 6:00 pm
(December 28, 2017 at 1:26 pm)alpha male Wrote: (December 28, 2017 at 1:21 pm)Grandizer Wrote: We see it as absurd. Christians, at the time, did not. But that's to be expected, given that it was hard to verify/falsify the contents of the manuscripts (especially in the absence of today's technology) since they were written decades after the fact, being circulated to people separated from the events described in the Gospels due to geographical and/or time distances.
So people 80 - 100 years from the supposed events thought the census details were plausible, but after 1,900 years of lost records, we now know better. Got it.
So, there really was a talking dog running around 1st century Palestine?
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RE: Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.
December 28, 2017 at 6:01 pm
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alpha male Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:Yep,
How?
Quote:that's why it doesn't make sense for Joseph to go to Bethlehem for the census. It's over 90 miles.
Which indicates that he hadn't yet settled in Nazareth.
alpha male Wrote:Yeah, we have reasons not to believe. Weird, huh?
What's weird is that you care whether other people believe.
alpha male Wrote:He asks in the age of rampant copying of absurd BS and passing it around.
Er, yes, in this age we do that, as it's really easy to do.
Back then, it took significant time and expense to make copies.
Look, do YOU think Joseph lived in Nazareth at the time of the census or not? If you're not going to stick to one or the other, why should I bother discussing it? Mary lived in Nazareth (according to Luke) where she was apparently engaged to Joseph. Joseph went to Bethlehem for the census because he was of the House of David, so it wasn't necessarily even where he was born, it's where his family is from. It makes no sense for him to go there, especially if he was carpentering in Nazareth long enough to secure Mary for a bride. Joseph and Mary then returned to Nazareth, presumably because they lived there. Are you trying to make a case that Joseph lived in Bethlehem and commuted to Nazareth?
It's hard to think of anything more hypocritical than a Christian pretending to be mystified that someone might what other people believe; but I don't care what you believe, I'm interested in stimulating conversation that provokes chances to exercise critical thought.
It also took significant time and expense to fact-check.
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RE: Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.
December 29, 2017 at 5:53 pm
Don't feel like looking thru the whole thread, but I'm assuming it is repletely copious to the brimicles with testimonials relating to safely drinking poison, regenerating severed and atrophied limbs with a laying on of the hands, speaking intelligibly in previously unlearned languages, tormentations of vicious adders and cobras in perfect safety, and parental hating with a Godly heat.
Good job theists !!!
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RE: Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.
December 29, 2017 at 9:34 pm
(December 28, 2017 at 1:08 pm)alpha male Wrote:
(December 28, 2017 at 1:05 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Because the fucking church insisted.
Back when they had power they could be quite persuasive!
How long was it between the writing of Luke and the church having such power?
The question is not "when was Luke written" but rather when was it re-written?
Bart Ehrman has some thoughts on "luke" in here.
He gets to "Luke" (Acts) around 13:25 and "Luke" around 14:45 assuming the same asshole wrote both. You might keep this whole discussion in mind the next time G-C starts whining about how consistent and inerrant his fucking holy horseshit is.
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RE: Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.
December 29, 2017 at 11:32 pm
Ehrman ROCKS !!!
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RE: Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.
December 29, 2017 at 11:36 pm
My only complaint with Ehrman is that after shitting on NT horseshit for 20 years he still tries to use it when it suits him. That is a tad dishonest.
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RE: Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.
December 29, 2017 at 11:39 pm
for personal profit?
I could see anyone picking up a bad habit or two from the prolonged exposure to the shear number of Mammon worshipping Christers he's encountered . . .
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RE: Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.
December 30, 2017 at 2:00 am
I don't think its that so much. More like he has been hanging around with too many theologians for too long and has bought into this bullshit that "real scholars" do not doubt the godboy tale. He wants to maintain his membership in the club.
The problem there, as J. D. Crossan has said, is that there is an embarrassment of jesuses because scholars cannot agree on the bullshit. Ehrman comes up with an apocalyptic prophet. Well.... he sure fucked that up!
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