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RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
January 9, 2018 at 1:59 am
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(January 8, 2018 at 8:20 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: (January 7, 2018 at 11:42 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Everyone dies son, sin is the ultimate reason. God never promised we would live forever until we enter the next life.
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So no matter how much a true believer prays not to die, God would kill them anyway if He wants to. Christianity claims that God has a perfect plan for anyone, then why are so many Christians praying to God for things?
Okay son put on your thinking cap and listen. Christians do not pray for God to leave them here forever, as I have said many times that will come in the next life. Christians do pray for certain things even many things because God has asked us too. We are to pray for spiritual growth with Him and are to pray for others most of all. God never said we would have a perfect life in this life, actually God tells us that we will have to endure many hardships in our lives as Christians. What I want to know is why you do not ask the creator of the universe and the savior of mankind to save you.
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(January 8, 2018 at 9:32 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Funny how I've never seen 'sin' listed as an actual cause of death. One would think that if it was killing people it'd be detectable.
It's the results from sin we suffer and die from, you know sickness, accidents and so on. Please tell me you are not that dense.
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(January 8, 2018 at 8:25 am)Grandizer Wrote: (January 7, 2018 at 11:42 pm)Godscreated Wrote: God never promised we would live forever until we enter the next life.
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Of course he didn't. Your God doesn't exist.
Prove your statement, it is one of a positive note and that means you need to prove what you claim.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
January 9, 2018 at 3:01 am
(January 9, 2018 at 1:59 am)Godscreated Wrote: (January 8, 2018 at 8:25 am)Grandizer Wrote: Of course he didn't. Your God doesn't exist.
Prove your statement, it is one of a positive note and that means you need to prove what you claim.
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Such an easy task, son. Your God makes no sense. Thus, he cannot and does not exist. Prove that he makes sense. Burden over to you now.
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RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
January 9, 2018 at 6:34 am
(January 9, 2018 at 1:59 am)Godscreated Wrote: (January 8, 2018 at 8:20 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: So no matter how much a true believer prays not to die, God would kill them anyway if He wants to. Christianity claims that God has a perfect plan for anyone, then why are so many Christians praying to God for things?
Okay son put on your thinking cap and listen. Christians do not pray for God to leave them here forever, as I have said many times that will come in the next life. Christians do pray for certain things even many things because God has asked us too. We are to pray for spiritual growth with Him and are to pray for others most of all. God never said we would have a perfect life in this life, actually God tells us that we will have to endure many hardships in our lives as Christians. What I want to know is why you do not ask the creator of the universe and the savior of mankind to save you.
GC
So basically God is all-knowing and all powerfull, He has a plan for everyone of us and the suffering He puts us through is necesarry. Yet He needs us inferior sinners to ask him for salvation and other good things. Isn't this interfering with His plan? And if He's all-knowing this means He knew Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit and that the original sin will pass on. So we're basically his pawns in a game of chess which is supposedly against the Devil, but not really since He doesn't have a chance against God and the Devil was created by God too.
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RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
January 9, 2018 at 10:34 am
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(January 9, 2018 at 6:34 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: (January 9, 2018 at 1:59 am)Godscreated Wrote: Okay son put on your thinking cap and listen. Christians do not pray for God to leave them here forever, as I have said many times that will come in the next life. Christians do pray for certain things even many things because God has asked us too. We are to pray for spiritual growth with Him and are to pray for others most of all. God never said we would have a perfect life in this life, actually God tells us that we will have to endure many hardships in our lives as Christians. What I want to know is why you do not ask the creator of the universe and the savior of mankind to save you.
GC
So basically God is all-knowing and all powerfull, He has a plan for everyone of us and the suffering He puts us through is necesarry. Yet He needs us inferior sinners to ask him for salvation and other good things. Isn't this interfering with His plan? And if He's all-knowing this means He knew Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit and that the original sin will pass on. So we're basically his pawns in a game of chess which is supposedly against the Devil, but not really since He doesn't have a chance against God and the Devil was created by God too.
God doesn't need anything, if you want to be saved you will have to ask. Some suffering is necessary and some we bring on ourselves. Instead of accepting responsibility for your actions and the results of those actions you want to blame God. You can never interfere with God's plan, he will not allow it. Of coarse He knew Adam and Eve would disobey Him and that sin would destroy mankind if He did not do something about it. We are not pawns in a game, you are evidence of that, you have decided that your rejection of God is an acceptable risk and are willing to suffer eternally if you are wrong.
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(January 9, 2018 at 3:01 am)Grandizer Wrote: (January 9, 2018 at 1:59 am)Godscreated Wrote: Prove your statement, it is one of a positive note and that means you need to prove what you claim.
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Such an easy task, son. Your God makes no sense. Thus, he cannot and does not exist. Prove that he makes sense. Burden over to you now.
Your the one who says He doesn't make sense and your the one that claims He doesn't exist, so nothings changed and if you call this little bit an attempt to prove he doesn't then you have grandly failed. Try again.
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RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
January 9, 2018 at 12:08 pm
Prove that sin causes accidents and illness. And I mean prove, not assert.
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RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
January 9, 2018 at 12:14 pm
(January 9, 2018 at 12:08 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Prove that sin causes accidents and illness. And I mean prove, not assert.
Some sins do cause illness.
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RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
January 9, 2018 at 12:15 pm
(January 9, 2018 at 12:14 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: (January 9, 2018 at 12:08 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Prove that sin causes accidents and illness. And I mean prove, not assert.
Some sins do cause illness.
Oh?
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RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
January 9, 2018 at 12:15 pm
If sin causes accidents and illness, shouldn't there be some actual data we can assess?
However, I can see a few major problems. First you have to have a tool for assessing relative levels of sin in the individuals being studied. Then you have to sort out the True Christians™ from the posers. Finally, you have to determine if there's a causal link between the amount of sin and the calamity, as well as distinguishing it from a low-sin person being "tested" by their god.
IOW, as things currently stand the assertion is unfalsifiable because there are too many variables and too many excuses that could be used to explain away anomalous data points.
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RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
January 9, 2018 at 12:23 pm
(January 9, 2018 at 10:34 am)Godscreated Wrote: (January 9, 2018 at 3:01 am)Grandizer Wrote: Such an easy task, son. Your God makes no sense. Thus, he cannot and does not exist. Prove that he makes sense. Burden over to you now.
Your the one who says He doesn't make sense and your the one that claims He doesn't exist, so nothings changed and if you call this little bit an attempt to prove he doesn't then you have grandly failed. Try again.
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Oh, man, the irony. Yes, exactly, man, exactly.
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RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
January 9, 2018 at 12:28 pm
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(January 9, 2018 at 12:15 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: (January 9, 2018 at 12:14 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: Some sins do cause illness.
Oh?
Well some of the sins may have an impact on your health, there are a lot of sins soo making him prove that sin causses accidents or illness is not a good aproach.
Edit: It is like trying to dismiss Karma. It is bassed on probability if you for example beat people on the street repetedly eventualy someone will beat the crap out of you, and than you add mysticism or not.
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