I'm sick and tired of Christianity

[Brian37]

And I am forced to hear things about christianity

How so? I left home at 17 due to disagreements with my parents (not religion).

You know what else is INSULTING to me. Your bullcrap "sink or swim" simplistic view of life.

I can identify with Die because I didn't have the personal financial security say like Trump's dad handed to him. If I had gotten pissed off to the point of leaving, or getting kicked out of my house growing up in my late teens, I would have been homeless. If you stupidly THINK that bullshit works on everyone, you are an idiot. Homelessness even with ADULTS can make something like depression, WHICH RUNS in my biological family, can make that worse to the point of addiction and or SUICIDE. 

IT WAS BECAUSE of my ability to SAVE MONEY and not have pay rent, I was able to KEEP MY JOBS AND stay home and help my mom. I DID eventually move out on my own. But even in her old age, WE HELPED EACH OTHER, because THAT is what family does. And in parts of the world, like in Italy and Japan, entire families live under the same roof because it is CHEAPER. 

I do not see anything ungrateful about what Die says, I had problems with my mom growing up too, but I was never ungrateful just because she upset me sometimes. That happens even in marriages too. 

Now you also keep missing the fact I have consistently SAID in this thread the house SHOULD NOT be turned into a war zone.

[John V]

I do not see anything ungrateful about what Die says

That would be the lack of gratitude.

[Brian37]

I assumed your characterization of teenagers as ungrateful had to do with their rejection of their parents religious beliefs.  Happy for you if you don't really think that.

I'm characterizing him as ungrateful because he seems to have pretty good parents, but instead of being grateful for them, he whines about their moderate religious beliefs.

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So you advocate that young people unable to at least fake religious belief

Where do you get unable? He's been able to do it so far.

take their chances on the street?  Just man up and bootstrap themselves into a successful life.  That the plan?

No, I advocate that they appreciate all the good their parents do for them and put this issue on the back burner until they're able to support themselves.

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So, who the fuck are you to decide for Die how  Die should live their life? You are tone deaf, just because you did something, doesn't mean everyone is like you.

Who the fuck is Die to decide how his parents should run their own household?

Knock it off. Die does not owe their parent loyalty to the religion they were sold. Die has every right to have their own thoughts on that issue. My late adoptive mom DID NOT disown me when I told her I no longer believed. At first she did think it was just a phase, but she never thought I was being ungrateful. I consider myself lucky. Muslims and Christians whom decide to ditch the religion of their parents and leave it for another, or not have one at all, get far worse than I did. Die is rightfully concerned. I have seen it the negative backlash with my younger biological sister. Our biological family has since calmed down, and lucky for her she was an adult.

If you think it is easy with the cost of living for a 17 or 18 or 19 year old to suddenly move out with no complete education, or even just a high school education today, again, you are an IDIOT. From what Die has said, and what others are saying, the best thing for Die to do is STAY at home and plan and save for the day they can leave. If Die needs to come here and bitch so that they don't blow up at home, that venting is coping. None of that means Die wants a war at home, Die like many teens, when they don't have like minded family, they need someone to talk to.

[John V]

I agree he should stay at home. I think that while he's home he should consider all the good that his parents do and want for them, compare that to their moderate Christian beliefs, and conclude that those beliefs are at worst a mild irritant to him and he's wasting time focusing on them.

[Brian37]

I do not see anything ungrateful about what Die says

That would be the lack of gratitude.

Your reading comprehension SUCKS. Not agreeing with everything your parents say or do, does not make one ungrateful. Nor does it mean the lack gratitude. 

Not many women today would put up with a husband who said, "I pay the bills, you do what I say or else". If you think kids are there for you to dictate to, you are an idiot. Communication isn't about being a tyrant in your own house. Communication is about problem solving, AND LISTENING. If you are not willing to treat your partner as if they are objects to use or throw out like trash, don't treat kids like that either.

But, your "my way are the highway" garbage, fits quite nicely with the authoritarian God you worship.

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I agree he should stay at home. I think that while he's home he should consider all the good that his parents do and want for them, compare that to their moderate Christian beliefs, and conclude that those beliefs are at worst a mild irritant to him and he's wasting time focusing on them.

STOP ASSUMING Die doesn't do that. I complained about my mom growing up too. I complained about her to my friends even in her old age too. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I was ungrateful. I am sorry someone sold you your utopia crap that any disagreement or needing someone outside the family to talk to is being ungrateful. BULLSHIT.

I loved my mom and she never stopped loving me, but sometimes we did drive each other nuts. ITS PART OF BEING A FAMILY. 

Die is more than welcome to come here and vent.

[Whateverist]

I agree he should stay at home. I think that while he's home he should consider all the good that his parents do and want for them, compare that to their moderate Christian beliefs, and conclude that those beliefs are at worst a mild irritant to him and he's wasting time focusing on them.

We agree that teen atheists who cannot afford to make their way on their own should avoid pissing off their parents by flying below the radar regarding religion until they can make their way.

I wonder where you stand on xtians tossing their atheist kids out of the house for failing to fly low enough to avoid detection?  Are you in favor, against or apathetic toward what they do?

Would you agree with me that we should as a society prosecute them as we would for any other kind of child abuse/endangerment?

[John V]

We agree that teen atheists who cannot afford to make their way on their own should avoid pissing off their parents by flying below the radar regarding religion until they can make their way.

I wonder where you stand on xtians tossing their atheist kids out of the house for failing to fly low enough to avoid detection?  Are you in favor, against or apathetic toward what they do?

Would you agree with me that we should as a society prosecute them as we would for any other kind of child abuse/endangerment?

Parents should stay within the law, regardless of the reasons for disagreements. I'm not aware of Christians getting preferential treatment on that, but I suppose minnie has found a case along those lines somewhere.

[Abaddon_ire]

Die Atheistin

I'm gonna go with the same advice. Stay at home and simply don't engage with the matter. Keep your head down and don't rise to the religious bait. I and my three siblings did exactly that and it harmed nobody. All of us eventually left home in out twenties (24, 23, 25, 23 with me third on that list). All of us were atheists despite devout RCC parents.

Lots of things happened that we simply paid lip service to such as my fathers attempt to introduce a weekly rosary recital. That was abandoned due to lack of attendance, so he gave up). Number 2 and 4 emigrated so that was a non-issue. #1 left to shack up with her then boyfriend (scandal) now her husband of some 28 years. I got married and left to set up home with my now ex-wife. Oddly enough the fact that she was RCC was a contributing factor there. Even odder, she has now also pretty much abandoned it.

Frankly, you can simply glide through it all without ruffling anyone's feathers. And bear in mind, I am 48, and this was all much more difficult back in my day. So, it can be done painlessly. The difficulty arises when one seeks a confrontation when one is not quite ready to deal with the consequences. That can sometimes work out badly.

My kids are already out, but it was easy for them. Even if mom threw them out, they knew they could move in with me permanently if required. They already come to my place for peace and sanity, and they know the could move in permanently at any time. In fact, they have already asked. It is one of the few advantages of having divorced parents. One has two available homes. Now, when this came up some while ago, I had that conversation with them. I told them in no uncertain terms that I would be delighted to host them permanently, however, it would destroy their mother were either of them to choose to do so. Best to leave the status quo unless it became unsustainable. Or an eviction happened. I have no fondness for my ex. But I wouldn't do something like that out of spite, whatever may have occurred between us. Children are not pawns in some mad game of spousal revenge.

I will admit that I am unhappy not to see more of my kids company, sure. But they are of an age that they have burgeoning social lives of their own, and even on the days when I have custody, I often just drive them to wherever they are going and don't see them anyway. This one is going to a sleepover there, the other is meeting friends someplace else, and so forth. I am simply a multitasking taxi driver a lot of the time. Nevertheless, we squeeze in time in that busy life to discuss all manner of things. All I can do is provide a venue where they can let off steam and be honest about anything without fear of reprisal.

And I will share something odd about all of this. My ex was more upset when my eldest came out as atheist, than when she/he came out as transgender. In both cases, I simply shrugged and said

"You are discovering who you are, and it doesn't matter who it is that you discover that you are. You will still be my child, always. And I will always love you, however it plays out"

Take hope from that.  And bide your time.

Oh, and I am not implying you might be trans, just relating my own experience as a parent.

[Minimalist]

An attitude that every slave owner expects from his slaves.

[Abaddon_ire]

An attitude that every slave owner expects from his slaves.

LOLWUT?