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Persecution Complex
#11
RE: Persecution Complex
(December 29, 2017 at 7:44 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(December 29, 2017 at 4:11 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Christians in the US do not see themselves as persecuted, for the most part anyways.

I don't know, GC. You see such things spouted by the likes of Jim Bakker and Pat Robertson. And, as far as I can tell, it's rubbing off on ordinary Christians. I've known quite a few people personally who have had this attitude. One guy I used to hang with in South Carolina was into it really hard. But it isn't something the majority of Christians subscribe to or anything.

 As I do you have to take those two with a grain of salt and go on. They have a tendency to blow things out of proportion real persecution is yet to come to this country but it will. For those who do believe we are being persecuted they listen to people who sensationalize things and then buy into it without real understanding real persecution, if they were to ever experience persecution they wouldn't be able to handle it in MHO.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#12
RE: Persecution Complex
(December 28, 2017 at 9:11 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: How appropriate is it for Christians to have a persecution complex? I mean, Christians were pretty much in charge of the Western world since the fall of the Roman Empire. How did they treat those who were of a different faith than themselves?

The answer is simple. They killed them.

My question is this: if the way Christians are treated in modern times (ie having to bake cakes for lesbians) counts as persecution then what the FUCK do you call killing anyone who doesn't agree with you? How can any Christian fail to recognize that their perceived persecution pales in comparison to the shit they've been dishing out for centuries?


I assume the people who don't want to bake cakes have spent very little time murdering folks who disagree and ruling the western world.

People are individuals, and should be treated as such.  A 21st Century Christian isn't responsible for all acts of Christianity in the history of the religion.  That's just a dumb idea.

In the same vein, I don't feel responsible for atheism stuff in the USSR, slavery in the US, or whatever bullshit my ancestors were up to in yesteryear. None of it has anything to do with me.
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#13
RE: Persecution Complex
(December 29, 2017 at 4:11 am)Godscreated Wrote: Christians in the US do not see themselves as persecuted

Says the man whose second favourite phrase is "I'm being persecuted over here". Get over yourself gc.
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#14
RE: Persecution Complex
(December 29, 2017 at 2:44 pm)wallym Wrote:
(December 28, 2017 at 9:11 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: How appropriate is it for Christians to have a persecution complex? I mean, Christians were pretty much in charge of the Western world since the fall of the Roman Empire. How did they treat those who were of a different faith than themselves?

The answer is simple. They killed them.

My question is this: if the way Christians are treated in modern times (ie having to bake cakes for lesbians) counts as persecution then what the FUCK do you call killing anyone who doesn't agree with you? How can any Christian fail to recognize that their perceived persecution pales in comparison to the shit they've been dishing out for centuries?


I assume the people who don't want to bake cakes have spent very little time murdering folks who disagree and ruling the western world.

People are individuals, and should be treated as such.  A 21st Century Christian isn't responsible for all acts of Christianity in the history of the religion.  That's just a dumb idea.

In the same vein, I don't feel responsible for atheism stuff in the USSR, slavery in the US, or whatever bullshit my ancestors were up to in yesteryear. None of it has anything to do with me.

Its like with vulcan's other thread titled "hug a theist" where it starts of by talking about the horrible things theists of a long long time ago have done, as if it applies to us.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

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#15
RE: Persecution Complex
(December 29, 2017 at 5:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(December 29, 2017 at 2:44 pm)wallym Wrote: I assume the people who don't want to bake cakes have spent very little time murdering folks who disagree and ruling the western world.

People are individuals, and should be treated as such.  A 21st Century Christian isn't responsible for all acts of Christianity in the history of the religion.  That's just a dumb idea.

In the same vein, I don't feel responsible for atheism stuff in the USSR, slavery in the US, or whatever bullshit my ancestors were up to in yesteryear.  None of it has anything to do with me.

Its like with vulcan's other thread titled "hug a theist" where it starts of by talking about the horrible things theists of a long long time ago have done, as if it applies to us.

Fair enough. Fair enough. At least concerning any blame falling on modern day Christians concerning events that transpired in the dark ages.

The gripe was more aimed at the idea of Christendom than Christianity. My real beef is not with Christians in general so much as proponents of evangelism who believe that the more Christianity is in power, the better off everybody is. Christianity dropped the ball when it had power. Those who want Christians to influence government are often nostalgic of those days when said ball was dropped.

The shoe might not fit you, Cinderella, but that doesn't mean there isn't some evil bitch standing next to a pumpkin who's a perfect size 9.

Evangelicals make up a significant portion of the electorate. If you listen to them (and I do), they make it sound like things were so much better when Christians were in power. They think they are being persecuted like no no other class of people in America. You don't even have to go that far back in history to find Christians supporting sodomy laws, which were little more than an excuse to put gays in jail at a whim. If Christians are going to complain about their situation in contemporary times, it would be nice if they at least acknowledged how poorly they treated atheists and gays when the shoe was on the other foot.

In my "Hug a theist" thread I made passing mention of historical atrocities but also said that Christians have "stood in the way of intellectual progress, and hindered minorities trying to attain civil rights..." Contemporary Christians are guilty of these things. Some Christians still want to push design in science classrooms. Some Christians still want to reverse gay marriage. Again, not you... not all Christians. In the future I'll make it a point to direct my commentary directly at fundamentalists/evangelicals when they are the intended target of my criticisms.
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#16
RE: Persecution Complex
Quote: Its like with vulcan's other thread titled "hug a theist" where it starts of by talking about the horrible things theists of a long long time ago have done, as if it applies to us.

This is from yesterday?  Is that too recent for you?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...30881.html

Quote:Kabul explosion: At least 41 dead in bomb attack on Shia cultural centre

Muslims are theists, too.
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#17
RE: Persecution Complex
(December 29, 2017 at 5:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Its like with vulcan's other thread titled "hug a theist" where it starts of by talking about the horrible things theists of a long long time ago have done, as if it applies to us.

Not that it necessarily applies to you (us?), but just sayin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_...ntemporary
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#18
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I always like to keep this around for when xtians start whining about how tough they have it.

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#19
RE: Persecution Complex
(December 29, 2017 at 2:47 pm)Wololo Wrote:
(December 29, 2017 at 4:11 am)Godscreated Wrote: Christians in the US do not see themselves as persecuted

Says the man whose second favourite phrase is "I'm being persecuted over here". Get over yourself gc.

I've never said such a thing and you know it, your just upset because you haven't been able to get me to that, go find someone else to annoy.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#20
RE: Persecution Complex
(December 30, 2017 at 12:26 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(December 29, 2017 at 2:47 pm)Wololo Wrote: Says the man whose second favourite phrase is "I'm being persecuted over here". Get over yourself gc.

I've never said such a thing and you know it, your just upset because you haven't been able to get me to that, go find someone else to annoy.

GC

QFT. You been drinking or smoking dope? Because what you have posted makes no sense.
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