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RE: Persecution Complex
January 1, 2018 at 9:45 am
(January 1, 2018 at 9:22 am)chimp3 Wrote: (January 1, 2018 at 8:48 am)Godscreated Wrote: This one happened in modern times, it's one you can't say was written after the event. Israel restored as a nation, it's the only nation to be restored after not existing for nearly 2000 years.
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I would not consider that a prediction. More of a desire expressed in biblical times by a displaced people. Besides, modern day people making their claim to ancient "god given" land merely requires military might, not magic.
There was never any military might used in securing the land. Remember the first time God promised to Abraham that the land would be filled by his descendants and that happened through of nomadic tribesman who wandered the desert for forty years. Wandering in a desert is no way to build a mighty army, now is it?
No army secured the land in modern times either the world voted to restore the nation of Israel to the Jewish people. An army has been used in the past and in recent times to keep the land secure. At least it was secure in ancient times until as God told Moses they would lose there home because of sin as a nation.
So let's examine what has happened, God took a wandering desert tribe and through them secured the land for them and then in modern times God convinced the world powers to re-establish the nation of Israel, no magic was needed the power of the might God was what was needed.
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RE: Persecution Complex
January 1, 2018 at 9:47 am
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(January 1, 2018 at 9:45 am)Godscreated Wrote: There was never any military might used in securing the land. Remember the first time God promised to Abraham that the land would be filled by his descendants and that happened through of nomadic tribesman who wandered the desert for forty years. Wandering in a desert is no way to build a mighty army, now is it?
No army secured the land in modern times either the world voted to restore the nation of Israel to the Jewish people. An army has been used in the past and in recent times to keep the land secure. At least it was secure in ancient times until as God told Moses they would lose there home because of sin as a nation.
So let's examine what has happened, God took a wandering desert tribe and through them secured the land for them and then in modern times God convinced the world powers to re-establish the nation of Israel, no magic was needed the power of the might God was what was needed.
GC No god was needed for the above.
(January 1, 2018 at 9:47 am)chimp3 Wrote: (January 1, 2018 at 9:45 am)Godscreated Wrote: There was never any military might used in securing the land. Remember the first time God promised to Abraham that the land would be filled by his descendants and that happened through of nomadic tribesman who wandered the desert for forty years. Wandering in a desert is no way to build a mighty army, now is it?
No army secured the land in modern times either the world voted to restore the nation of Israel to the Jewish people. An army has been used in the past and in recent times to keep the land secure. At least it was secure in ancient times until as God told Moses they would lose there home because of sin as a nation.
So let's examine what has happened, God took a wandering desert tribe and through them secured the land for them and then in modern times God convinced the world powers to re-establish the nation of Israel, no magic was needed the power of the might God was what was needed.
GC No god was needed for the above. And your completely wrong that no military force was involved in the formation of Modern Israel.
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RE: Persecution Complex
January 1, 2018 at 9:53 am
(January 1, 2018 at 9:47 am)chimp3 Wrote: And your completely wrong that no military force was involved in the formation of Modern Israel.
Yeah paramilitary groups like the Stern Gang (which was modelled off the Nazi SS) were what created modern Israel, through a genocide called the Nakbah.
Every where you look you see parallels between modern Israel and (some of) the groups which were so hot on persecuting jews last century.
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RE: Persecution Complex
January 1, 2018 at 9:58 am
(January 1, 2018 at 9:43 am)Wololo Wrote: (January 1, 2018 at 8:48 am)Godscreated Wrote: Okay idiot it's time for a history lesson, Solomon's temple didn't even exist at the time of the Roman occupation, it had been destroyed long before there was a Roman Empire.
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Says the man who knows fuck all about history (otherwise you wouldn't be fellating yhwh) or reading comprehension. The second temple was also known as the the temple of Solomon, because it was built on the supposed site and to the supposed dimensions of the alleged original.
It was known as Herod's temple, built by Herod.
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RE: Persecution Complex
January 1, 2018 at 10:09 am
(January 1, 2018 at 9:45 am)Godscreated Wrote: There was never any military might used in securing the land. Remember the first time God promised to Abraham men made a story that the land would be filled by his descendants and that happened through of nomadic tribesman who wandered the desert for forty years. Wandering in a desert is no way to build a mighty army, now is it?
No army secured the land in modern times either the world voted to restore the nation of Israel to the Jewish people. An army has been used in the past and in recent times to keep the land secure. At least it was secure in ancient times until as God told Moses men made up a cover story that they would lose there home because of sin as a nation.
So let's examine what has happened, God took men made up a story of a wandering desert tribe and through them secured the land for them and then in modern times God men convinced the world powers to re-establish the nation of Israel, no magic was needed the power of the might God delusion was what was needed.
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RE: Persecution Complex
January 1, 2018 at 11:59 am
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(January 1, 2018 at 8:48 am)Godscreated Wrote: (January 1, 2018 at 3:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Name three and give evidence.
This one happened in modern times, it's one you can't say was written after the event. Israel restored as a nation, it's the only nation to be restored after not existing for nearly 2000 years.
Yeah, that "prophecy" says nothing about the nation of Israel ... nor any nation-building at all.
(January 1, 2018 at 9:45 am)Godscreated Wrote: There was never any military might used in securing the land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war
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January 1, 2018 at 6:37 pm
(January 1, 2018 at 9:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: (January 1, 2018 at 9:43 am)Wololo Wrote: Says the man who knows fuck all about history (otherwise you wouldn't be fellating yhwh) or reading comprehension. The second temple was also known as the the temple of Solomon, because it was built on the supposed site and to the supposed dimensions of the alleged original.
It was known as Herod's temple, built by Herod.
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As I said you know shit all about history. Thanks for providing proof.
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RE: Persecution Complex
January 2, 2018 at 1:10 am
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(January 1, 2018 at 9:47 am)chimp3 Wrote: (January 1, 2018 at 9:45 am)Godscreated Wrote: There was never any military might used in securing the land. Remember the first time God promised to Abraham that the land would be filled by his descendants and that happened through of nomadic tribesman who wandered the desert for forty years. Wandering in a desert is no way to build a mighty army, now is it?
No army secured the land in modern times either the world voted to restore the nation of Israel to the Jewish people. An army has been used in the past and in recent times to keep the land secure. At least it was secure in ancient times until as God told Moses they would lose there home because of sin as a nation.
So let's examine what has happened, God took a wandering desert tribe and through them secured the land for them and then in modern times God convinced the world powers to re-establish the nation of Israel, no magic was needed the power of the might God was what was needed.
GC No god was needed for the above.
Really then how do you explain a prophecy from the Bible coming to pass, especially since Israel is the only country to come back after 2000 years. You might want to rethink your position.
(January 1, 2018 at 9:47 am)chimp3 Wrote: No god was needed for the above.
chimp3 Wrote:And your completely wrong that no military force was involved in the formation of Modern Israel.
Israel was formed through a world vote, military force was used to keep the boarders safe and they are still being defended today. Israel defeated the Middle Eastern countries in a 6 day war. Sounds Biblical to me.
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(January 1, 2018 at 6:37 pm)Wololo Wrote: (January 1, 2018 at 9:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: It was known as Herod's temple, built by Herod.
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As I said you know shit all about history. Thanks for providing proof.
You are plan ol' stupid to argue against what history has recorded. The proof of stupidity is on you, gees come back when you know something I have better things to do than waste my time on you.
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(January 1, 2018 at 10:09 am)mh.brewer Wrote: (January 1, 2018 at 9:45 am)Godscreated Wrote: There was never any military might used in securing the land. Remember the first time God promised to Abraham men made a story that the land would be filled by his descendants and that happened through of nomadic tribesman who wandered the desert for forty years. Wandering in a desert is no way to build a mighty army, now is it?
No army secured the land in modern times either the world voted to restore the nation of Israel to the Jewish people. An army has been used in the past and in recent times to keep the land secure. At least it was secure in ancient times until as God told Moses men made up a cover story that they would lose there home because of sin as a nation.
So let's examine what has happened, God took men made up a story of a wandering desert tribe and through them secured the land for them and then in modern times God men convinced the world powers to re-establish the nation of Israel, no magic was needed the power of the might God delusion was what was needed.
GC
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(January 1, 2018 at 11:59 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (January 1, 2018 at 8:48 am)Godscreated Wrote: This one happened in modern times, it's one you can't say was written after the event. Israel restored as a nation, it's the only nation to be restored after not existing for nearly 2000 years.
Yeah, that "prophecy" says nothing about the nation of Israel ... nor any nation-building at all.
Please enlighten us great biblical scholar.
(January 1, 2018 at 9:45 am)Godscreated Wrote: There was never any military might used in securing the land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war[/quote]
The boarders were set by a world committee ans recognized by a world vote. Don't be an idiot.
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RE: Persecution Complex
January 2, 2018 at 8:11 am
(December 29, 2017 at 4:11 am)Godscreated Wrote: Christians in the US do not see themselves as persecuted, for the most part anyways. We do see that some of our rights have been infringed on ....
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Oh yes they do. Ever since the orange shitgibbon decided to run for office and named Pence as his running mate, this country has slid backwards so badly, it's like the last 60 years worth of progress just got flushed down humanity's toilet.
The bible toting, gun nut loving, rebel flag waving, hot messes below the Mason-Dixon line, have done everything they can to show their obvious hatred for anyone who isn't a trump supporter. And those are Christians. As soon as anyone who stands up for the rights of everyone, there's a white supremacist group hanging in the backdrop, waiting to make a scene.
That idiot who drove his car through a crowd of peaceful protesters - he believed in god. I guess he felt persecuted that a bunch of innocent bystanders were protesting a statue of his slave owning hero, Lee. He took his feeling persecuted and drove his hatred into a crowed and killed a woman.
No one has fringed on your rights. But I love how you conveniently left off a list of those "rights", in your post. Sorry, but if you are in the US, you have just as many rights as anyone other citizen. You don't get special treatment just because you believe in one more god than I do. And no one has taken your rights away.
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RE: Persecution Complex
January 2, 2018 at 1:22 pm
(December 28, 2017 at 9:11 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: My question is this: if the way Christians are treated in modern times (ie having to bake cakes for lesbians) counts as persecution then what the FUCK do you call killing anyone who doesn't agree with you?
Oppression would work. Or tyranny. Those are both terms that are similar to, but more severe than, persecution. You shoulda just checked a dictionary.
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