Persecution Complex

[Godscreated]

 Christians in the US do not see themselves as persecuted, for the most part anyways. We do see that some of our rights have been infringed on ....
GC

Oh yes they do. Ever since the orange shitgibbon decided to run for office and named Pence as his running mate, this country has slid backwards so badly, it's like the last 60 years worth of progress just got flushed down humanity's toilet.

Don't be ridiculous the country is still going down the drain because of what's happened over the last 60 years.

The bible toting, gun nut loving, rebel flag waving, hot messes below the Mason-Dixon line, have done everything they can to show their obvious hatred for anyone who isn't a trump supporter. And those are Christians. As soon as anyone who stands up for the rights of everyone, there's a white supremacist group hanging in the backdrop, waiting to make a scene.

Many Christians I know do not carry guns or even own them. Those people you say carry the rebel flag have the right too.  Don't like the South good stay away and it will make us happy, enough Yankees have polluted our good way of life and most of us are over it. You can't say who is and who isn't a Christian that's judging people you know nothing about. White supremacist are hateful people who will have no place in heaven and do not represent the south, the represent themselves only. Now quit being a larger than life bigot and calm down.

That idiot who drove his car through a crowd of peaceful protesters - he believed in god. I guess he felt persecuted that a bunch of innocent bystanders were protesting a statue of his slave owning hero, Lee. He took his feeling persecuted and drove his hatred into a crowed and killed a woman.

Prove he was a Christian, can you. Don't tell me he said so that's no more than second hand hearsay. Murderers will not be in heaven, says the Bible. He was reacting to a protest against his constitutional rights not his religious belief. Guess what he has nothing to do with myself or all the good Christians. Suck it up and just live with what atheist have made of this country.

No one has fringed on your rights. But I love how you conveniently left off a list of those "rights", in your post. Sorry, but if you are in the US, you have just as many rights as anyone other citizen. You don't get special treatment just because you believe in one more god than I do. And no one has taken your rights away.

 I haven't said my rights have been infringed own, I want allow it by the way. You are reading what your biased blind mind desires to see and that is not the truth. I'm finished with this discussion because people like you with huge bias against Christians try to make a mountain out of an anthill.

GC

[Joods]

That idiot who drove his car through a crowd of peaceful protesters - he believed in god. I guess he felt persecuted that a bunch of innocent bystanders were protesting a statue of his slave owning hero, Lee. He took his feeling persecuted and drove his hatred into a crowed and killed a woman.

Prove he was a Christian, can you.

I don't need to prove he was a christian. All I need is to believe that he was. Isn't that what all you religious folk tell us to do? Just believe and have faith. Or better yet.... He's a trump supporter, so he MUST be religious! No sane, non-believer would ever think twice to support that nut job. 

 

Don't tell me he said so that's no more than second hand hearsay. Murderers will not be in heaven, says the Bible. He was reacting to a protest against his constitutional rights not his religious belief. Guess what he has nothing to do with myself or all the good Christians. Suck it up and just live with what atheist have made of this country.

bold mine. Yet here you are justifying his behavior. That is not how normal people react to a protest. If that was the case, there would be more than one person, in more than one car, doing what he did. He killed a person. Does that not mean anything to you?

Furthermore - where did I ever make the statement that he was the representative of all christians? Please don't tell me I am biased in my reading skills, when you can't even read, period. Religious people have done more to harm people, not only IN this country, but outside of it. I'd like to see your long list of evidence, showing what atheists have made of this country. Like it or not - this country is NOT built on Christianity or any other religion. So get over yourself. You and your christian brotherhood are not all that special. 

As a side note: You could learn a thing or two about this country that we live in. Our forefathers were very explicit in the fact that this country should not get founded under one specific deity. Nor should the words "god" or "the almighty" or any other reference to a specific god, be used in the construction of our constitution. It wasn't until the 1900's that that shit was even enforced on our monetary system and in the pledge. 

No one has fringed on your rights. But I love how you conveniently left off a list of those "rights", in your post. Sorry, but if you are in the US, you have just as many rights as anyone other citizen. You don't get special treatment just because you believe in one more god than I do. And no one has taken your rights away.

 

I haven't said my rights have been infringed own, I want allow it by the way. You are reading what your biased blind mind desires to see and that is not the truth. I'm finished with this discussion because people like you with huge bias against Christians try to make a mountain out of an anthill.

GC

bold mine. 

So you are saying you didn't say this? 

Godscreated

 Christians in the US do not see themselves as persecuted, for the most part anyways. We do see that some of our rights have been infringed on ....
GC

Got it. And again, bold mine.  No, my eyes aren't biased when I can clearly read what you yourself have written. Can't deny it when it's right here in black and white for everyone to see. You just don't want to provide a list of the things you and your fellow Christians have actually been persecuted for. Or - maybe it's just that you can't provide a list because... Christian's don't get persecuted. And if that's truly the case, as you would now like to back peddle and have us all believe, then you should have just said so from the start and we could have avoided all this nonsense. 

I think people like you try to get other people all riled up with the shit you say, simply because you don't think we will take the time to counter all the weak arguments you make. And then when you get called out on it - you want to leave the conversation. I'm going to assume that you've been bested and you got caught with your hand in the proverbial cookie jar. You've been caught trying to twist shit to further your own agenda. So glad to see you can be the kettle that calls the pot black. 

Sweetheart, if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch with the pups.

[Godscreated]

Prove he was a Christian, can you.

I don't need to prove he was a christian. All I need is to believe that he was. Isn't that what all you religious folk tell us to do? Just believe and have faith. Or better yet.... He's a trump supporter, so he MUST be religious! No sane, non-believer would ever think twice to support that nut job.

Until you do it's just hearsay and nothing more, not worth a bag of rotted peanuts. You can believe what you want but that want make it the truth, it's only a wishful notion at best. You can prove he was a Trump supporter I suppose. There are many non Christians who voted for Trump and yes even atheist.
You were right about one thing that is if that's what you were alluding to, all people have to do is have faith and believe in Jesus as the Son of God and what He did to be saved.
 

Don't tell me he said so that's no more than second hand hearsay. Murderers will not be in heaven, says the Bible. He was reacting to a protest against his constitutional rights not his religious belief. Guess what he has nothing to do with myself or all the good Christians. Suck it up and just live with what atheist have made of this country.

bold mine. Yet here you are justifying his behavior. That is not how normal people react to a protest. If that was the case, there would be more than one person, in more than one car, doing what he did. He killed a person. Does that not mean anything to you?

That was no justification it was the reason he did it. No where in my post will you find me justifying an act as terrible as that, again you are reading things into my post to make it look like I believe in terrible actions, you are a heartless atheist as well as bigoted. Like I said murderers will not be in heaven I can't make it plainer than that. Those people shotting cops belong to your ilk, yet yo let them slide, again a biased point of view.

Furthermore - where did I ever make the statement that he was the representative of all christians? Please don't tell me I am biased in my reading skills, when you can't even read, period. Religious people have done more to harm people, not only IN this country, but outside of it. I'd like to see your long list of evidence, showing what atheists have made of this country. Like it or not - this country is NOT built on Christianity or any other religion. So get over yourself. You and your christian brotherhood are not all that special.

In your post, can't you even remember what you just wrote, memory going bad? Funny how a man can type but can't read, you must be witnessing a miracle. To God we are the most valued, chosen if you will, chosen through our faith. 
As far as I can tell from what you write you are biased in many areas. Christianity helped build this country and without it this country would have never survived. Here is just one thing that the atheist community is responsible for, all the children killed in schools by guns in the last decade or so, when prayer was taken out of schools I was going to school and I have watched the decline of real morals in schools fall until now we have kids killing kids. 

As a side note: You could learn a thing or two about this country that we live in. Our forefathers were very explicit in the fact that this country should not get founded under one specific deity. Nor should the words "god" or "the almighty" or any other reference to a specific god, be used in the construction of our constitution. It wasn't until the 1900's that that shit was even enforced on our monetary system and in the pledge.

On that you are somewhat right, the part that's right is that this country was to be founded under the God of creation, it was the power of the church they were trying to prevent that Europe allowed to take place. I do not believe the Church should have that kind of power and the Bible teaches us that, our Founding Fathers were following the example set by the Word of God. They knew men would be corrupt because they understood the sinful hearts of men, so they kept the Church out of the government. What they did do was allow good moral Christians to make decisions based on their biblical morals, they knew this balance would be needed to counter the poor morals of those seeking nothing more than power and money. Zealous people can be very dangerous whither they believe in God or not. The Founding Fathers understood this and formed a government to protect against dangerous zealots, that's why this country has lasted as long as it has with the freedoms it gives it's people. No other country has ever been as open as this one and yet we have lasted a long time and defeated many threats. Enough on this history, you will find a way to discard this if in no other way in your own mind, with the biased thinking you have. One thing that biased thinking can't change is the truth and our Founding Fathers knew this and put in place laws to stop such actions. I know that Christians have made many mistakes I bring this up to the Christian people, I know all the time, many Christians agree with me. But they were good intentions from them at the time, unfortunately they were blinded by their own self righteousness. The three branches of power protect from this kind of good intentions that are not so good and yes that goes for the non believers also. You know if people like you didn't get all bent out of shape and would work with Christians and visa versa this country would be in much better shape and we might have a future, but because of the nature of man we will never see this. The United States is briefly mentioned in prophecy and then just vanishes, scary thought.   
By the way those things you mentioned were not forced as you seem to believe it took votes to get those things passed.

No one has fringed on your rights. But I love how you conveniently left off a list of those "rights", in your post. Sorry, but if you are in the US, you have just as many rights as anyone other citizen. You don't get special treatment just because you believe in one more god than I do. And no one has taken your rights away.

 

I haven't said my rights have been infringed on, I want allow it by the way. You are reading what your biased blind mind desires to see and that is not the truth. I'm finished with this discussion because people like you with huge bias against Christians try to make a mountain out of an anthill.

GC

bold mine.

 

So it is. 

So you are saying you didn't say this?

 

Yes I did, you put it in bold didn't you. Oh yeah I have already read the post so I know what's coming next, thought you might surprise me didn't you. Guess I'm not as dumb as you thought.

Godscreated

 Christians in the US do not see themselves as persecuted, for the most part anyways. We do see that some of our rights have been infringed on ....
GC

Got it. And again, bold mine.  No, my eyes aren't biased when I can clearly read what you yourself have written. Can't deny it when it's right here in black and white for everyone to see. You just don't want to provide a list of the things you and your fellow Christians have actually been persecuted for. Or - maybe it's just that you can't provide a list because... Christian's don't get persecuted. And if that's truly the case, as you would now like to back peddle and have us all believe, then you should have just said so from the start and we could have avoided all this nonsense.

Having ones rights infringed own and persecution are in two different leagues and it would behoove you to learn the difference and use them correctly. First of all I said my rights haven't been infringed upon because I would not allow it. Like removing prayer from school, I prayed in the open in school and did not care what others thought. Now many Christians see this as an infringement on their right to speak in public no matter who they speak to, are you with me to this point. I agree with them, for them, like I said I never quit praying no matter where it's forbidden, so I kept my right, still with me. So you see I was speaking about other Christians who do not have the fortitude to pray where they believe they are forbidden to. Taking the Ten Commandments out of public government places is an infringement on all moral people's rights. They had been there for a couple hundred years and hurt no one, but hey I can do without them there because they are written on my heart. The children that killed other children could have benefited from those commandments and the ones that died and their families certainly wished those kids had kept just one of those commandments. 
 You must think I live in a cave in the Smokey Mountains without any outside contact with the world or you wouldn't have purposed I don't know what is going on around this country. Well let me share this with you, I know many teachers and students in the public school system and I have heard the stories they tell about other teachers taking bibles away from children while they were at school. I have heard of the students who have been interrupted while they prayed over a meal at school, doing so silently I might add. Non believing teachers making it hard on Christian students and Christian teacher, except for one I know and she would tell them to their faces (go girl go) to shut up. I've seen a lot done wrong in this world by both sides and it's not right, the innocent always get hurt. 

 There was no nonsense to avoid, I didn't give you a list because I didn't want to waste my time, well now I have wasted my time but that's okay because now you know what I meant even though you will never admit it. Like I said, you nor any other atheist can take away my spiritual right because I will practice them no matter what the law says. Christ told us to keep the laws of the land as long as they did not go against His teaching and I do that on both accounts, what's the other account, we are to practice what He taught even if man makes laws against His teachings. Paul teaches us to practice Christ's teachings even if it leads to persecution. Christ said if you do the good things I teach you people want have a reason to hate you. He did teach Christians would be persecuted in parts of the world till the end of time, because men will make up reasons that do not exist to persecute Christians.
 You don't like it because Christians wanted moral commandments in government places, then the atheist should have got together and practiced their right to put up their own moral codes in the same places and yes so should have other religions, when the Ten Commandments were removed it shot down any chance for them, also. But no atheist couldn't fight for their rights to do as the Christians did and use the free speech our government gives us, they had to try and take away the speech of Christians and so you have and now there are dead children that might otherwise still be alive. Now instead of posting a biased reaction to these things chew on them for awhile could be you might see some sense in them, but I have sever doubts that you can get by the biased hatred you have for Christians, so I expect a mindless gut reaction to come and I will read it but I want respond anymore, giving you the last word because I know that's important to you for some strange reason. And to all the other atheist I will not respond to your tripe either, write what you want because what you write may not get read. 

I think people like you try to get other people all riled up with the shit you say, simply because you don't think we will take the time to counter all the weak arguments you make. And then when you get called out on it - you want to leave the conversation. I'm going to assume that you've been bested and you got caught with your hand in the proverbial cookie jar. You've been caught trying to twist shit to further your own agenda. So glad to see you can be the kettle that calls the pot black.

You are the one who instigated this not me. I have no agenda other than to be truthful no matter if it irritates you or not. You see you did not hand me my a.. like you thought you would. You need to get rid of that biased against Christians who mean you no harm and read with comprehension what is actually written, if you do not understand then you should ask questions. You do see I didn't leave the conversation, I took up your challenge though I'm sure you want see it that way, biased baby biased gets in the way all the time. Since I've been here I have thrown away a lot of the bias I had for atheist, but I will defend to the death my right to disagree with them. Read my signature!

Sweetheart, if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch with the pups.

 
 First of all I'm not your sweetheart and would never even consider such a dreadful thought, I like nice people and there are several atheist here that are very nice. You're just not one of them IMHO. And as for dogs I've seen none here, just some whinny ol' pups pissing in the wind when things do not go their way. So for me I'm staying in the yard and will nip on the a.. of any pup that tries and best me for the sole purpose of trying to demean me.

GC

[Joods]

tl:dr

Sorry but your pathetic wall of drivel is about as interesting to read as watching paint dry. So many accusations and errors in the first rant-y paragraphs and for my own sanity, I stopped reading.

When you are able to carry on an adult conversation without throwing around ignorant insults, maybe we can come back to the table, but I doubt it. You've made some pretty nasty assertions about me that you full well know are not true. For someone who said he was done with the conversation, you sure had a lot to say with your novel length drivel.

[John V]

I don't need to prove he was a christian. All I need is to believe that he was. Isn't that what all you religious folk tell us to do? Just believe and have faith. Or better yet.... He's a trump supporter, so he MUST be religious! No sane, non-believer would ever think twice to support that nut job. 

bold mine. Yet here you are justifying his behavior. That is not how normal people react to a protest. If that was the case, there would be more than one person, in more than one car, doing what he did. He killed a person. Does that not mean anything to you?

Furthermore - where did I ever make the statement that he was the representative of all christians?

You say that this guy isn't normal...you don't know if he's Christian...and even if he is Christian, you're not claiming that he's representative of Christianity.

So what was your point in bringing him up in the first place?

[Joods]

You can go back and read why I did.