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Just because She's Topless
#51
RE: Just because She's Topless
(January 3, 2018 at 1:01 pm)Shell B Wrote:
(January 3, 2018 at 11:22 am)Khemikal Wrote: Both parties are objectively harmed, as is society in general.  She was groped, he was punched, and we have to live in a society where gropers need to be punched because some don't consider groping objectively harmful.

I remember every single time I was groped more clearly than every time I've been hit. I found it more disturbing to be groped for some reason.

The way I see it is.... she was assaulted and simply defended herself.

(January 3, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: Shit! If he doesn't like the sexual tension from seeing them, can't he just walk to another area of the festival?
I agree.

He could very easily resist he's just an asshole.

Look at it this way: I'm a very horny guy who is very out of control and super impulsive. But I would never grab someone's tits without their consent. Not even if I was really fucking drunk. Because I'm not a total asshole and have more decency than that even when at my most out of control and drunk out of my mind. The worst I get when super drunk is say sexually awkward things because I think the other person is flirting with me when they're not.

The guy assaulted her and her reaction was self defense .
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#52
RE: Just because She's Topless
(January 3, 2018 at 6:30 pm)Mermaid Wrote:
(January 3, 2018 at 5:51 pm)SaStrike Wrote: I've seen  breasts being compared to dick in this thread. So it's really a grey area. It's not sexual and shouldn't  be hidden, like an arm maybe? So if a woman touched my arm and i decide to punch her is that ok? Would i  get atheist forums praise and approval? So yes it is sexual and apparently she did the "right thing"

If a man gropes me i guess i'll resort to doing the right thing, a woman ever gropes my butt or anything sexual i will be sure to not do the right thing though. Not my style.

What?

Let me put it this way, when you suggest that breasts shouldn't be sexual, then how can the video posted be SEXUAL harassment? Just pointing out that breasts should be considered a sexual part at all times. Not only when it suits people. Just pointing out the double standard.

If we go the route of considering it non sexual, like an arm etc. Then if someone touched my arm could i beat them up? Can i claim sexual harassment?
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#53
RE: Just because She's Topless
(January 3, 2018 at 7:31 pm)SaStrike Wrote:
(January 3, 2018 at 6:30 pm)Mermaid Wrote: What?

Let me put it this way, when you suggest that breasts shouldn't be sexual, then how can the video posted be SEXUAL harassment? Just pointing out that breasts should be considered a sexual part at all times. Not only when it suits people. Just pointing out the double standard.

If we go the route of considering it non sexual, like an arm etc. Then if someone touched my arm could i beat them up? Can i claim sexual harassment?

Much better said, this time around... and a good question.
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#54
RE: Just because She's Topless
(January 3, 2018 at 7:31 pm)SaStrike Wrote:
(January 3, 2018 at 6:30 pm)Mermaid Wrote: What?

Let me put it this way, when you suggest that breasts shouldn't be sexual, then how can the video posted be SEXUAL harassment? Just pointing out that breasts should be considered a sexual part at all times. Not only when it suits people. Just pointing out the double standard.

If we go the route of considering it non sexual, like an arm etc. Then if someone touched my arm could i beat them up? Can i claim sexual harassment?
I think these are two different issues. I think it's stupid that breasts are so sexualized in our culture. As it is now, grabbing someone's breasts is absolutely sexual assault. (not sexual harassment). 
I see no double standard.
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#55
RE: Just because She's Topless
(January 3, 2018 at 5:51 pm)SaStrike Wrote:
(January 3, 2018 at 12:00 pm)Mermaid Wrote: Why are breasts a sexual organ to he hidden? I think the question should start there.

I've seen  breasts being compared to dick in this thread. So it's really a grey area. It's not sexual and shouldn't  be hidden, like an arm maybe? So if a woman touched my arm and i decide to punch her is that ok? Would i  get atheist forums praise and approval? So yes it is sexual and apparently she did the "right thing"

If a man gropes me i guess i'll resort to doing the right thing, a woman ever gropes my butt or anything sexual i will be sure to not do the right thing though. Not my style.

You can't seriously be equating touching someone's arm to grabbing them.

Someone grabs my arm to the degree that it's lawfully and morally an assault, I'll do my best to put them on the ground. I despise violence but assault is assault.
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#56
RE: Just because She's Topless
(January 3, 2018 at 7:50 pm)Mermaid Wrote:
(January 3, 2018 at 7:31 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Let me put it this way, when you suggest that breasts shouldn't be sexual, then how can the video posted be SEXUAL harassment? Just pointing out that breasts should be considered a sexual part at all times. Not only when it suits people. Just pointing out the double standard.

If we go the route of considering it non sexual, like an arm etc. Then if someone touched my arm could i beat them up? Can i claim sexual harassment?
I think these are two different issues. I think it's stupid that breasts are so sexualized in our culture. As it is now, grabbing someone's breasts is absolutely sexual assault. (not sexual harassment). 
I see no double standard.

I know, it's wrong what he did in the vid. What i mean is that if it weren't sexualized in culture then would it still be as wrong? If a woman touched my chest would i get praises and approval for punching her in the head?

Nevermind. I can't seem to explain my point properly without sounding like a Hitler.

(January 3, 2018 at 7:57 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(January 3, 2018 at 5:51 pm)SaStrike Wrote: I've seen  breasts being compared to dick in this thread. So it's really a grey area. It's not sexual and shouldn't  be hidden, like an arm maybe? So if a woman touched my arm and i decide to punch her is that ok? Would i  get atheist forums praise and approval? So yes it is sexual and apparently she did the "right thing"

If a man gropes me i guess i'll resort to doing the right thing, a woman ever gropes my butt or anything sexual i will be sure to not do the right thing though. Not my style.

You can't seriously be equating touching someone's arm to grabbing them.

Someone grabs my arm to the degree that it's lawfully and morally an assault, I'll do my best to put them on the ground. I despise violence but assault is assault.

No i agree that it was sexual assault, just pointing out that when one chooses to "normalize" breasts (a sexual part) then it is like an arm (just an example). And no i disagree with you on the arm assault part, if he did the exact thing to her arm she wouldnt have reacted that way (video in op)
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#57
RE: Just because She's Topless
I have a pretty well defined personal bubble. I might lash out if you grab my arm in an unwelcome way.
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#58
RE: Just because She's Topless
Most of us are taught to keep our hands to ourselves in kindergarten.  Others seem to need refreshers as adults.
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#59
RE: Just because She's Topless
I haven't read through the thread - is it worth it? Popcorn

Has anyone mentioned boobs are for babies?

-Teresa
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#60
RE: Just because She's Topless
(January 3, 2018 at 11:36 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: I haven't read through the thread - is it worth it? Popcorn

Has anyone mentioned boobs are for babies?

-Teresa

Elevator version- don't run up behind some gal who decided to let her "girls" get some fresh air on the beach and give one a squeeze, and then run off like a 14 year old boy who had no upbringing. When you get punched, don't be surprised. Cue xtians making all kinds of apologetics. /thread
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