Noah's Ark (!) Shows How Seaworthy It Is In A Storm

[SteelCurtain]

the questions to ask about the Noah story should go in this order:

Could such a boat actually be built and function as described in the Bible?

If so, how did that boat not sink under the amount of rain required to flood the earth to the height where it would immerse the tallest mountains? That amount of rain would be enough to capsized even today's largest shipping barges.

The problems with the animals aren't even worth considering to me until you can show that the Ark could be structurally sound once built and floating, and that it could stay afloat in that massive amount of rain.

Not to mention the classic "where did all the rain come from? And where did it go when it receded?"

God did it.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Deadpan posts get straight replies. Tone of voice doesn't carry well on the 'Net.

Lol... the sad thing is that the internet is such a place that that wasn't obviously a joke.

And emojis evolved to fill a need.  Else 

[SteelCurtain]

 Correct a scaled replica floated in a large tank that had waves produced to represent the conditions that were suspected to be during the flood.  just as engineers do with modern day vessels before they build them, see Christians do use science and use it well.

GC

Models can scale things like buoyancy and fluid dynamics.

A scale model, for pretty obvious reasons, cannot replicate torsional stresses to scale, or, specific to a hull, lateral and longitudinal keel stresses to scale. This is stuff they teach you like day one when modeling in wind tunnels and wave pools. The square-cube law is important here; if you increase an object's size, its surface area increases by a power of two, and its weight increases by a power of three. The structural rigidity, however, increases at a slower rate than the weight. This is important. The bigger something gets, the more fragile it is. Think of the Titanic. Ass in the air, that structural steel snapped like a twig.

So they could tell that it might have floated, and that with a representative cargo load it might not capsize. But they cannot tell you just in a wave pool alone what happens when a wave hits at an angle so that there is a massive torsional stress across the keel. For that, you need computer models. This is what real ships have to go through. A gopherwood ship, 450ft long, would not survive a wave that hit it at an angle. Other wooden ships give empirical evidence that this is so. The Wyoming foundered in the first major storm it got stuck in, and before that needed modern pumps to keep afloat because of how much water came in when the planks stretched and warped because of the length.

[Pat Mustard]

the questions to ask about the Noah story should go in this order:

Could such a boat actually be built and function as described in the Bible?

If so, how did that boat not sink under the amount of rain required to flood the earth to the height where it would immerse the tallest mountains?  That amount of rain would be enough to capsized even today's largest shipping barges.  

The problems with the animals aren't even worth considering to me until you can show that the Ark could be structurally sound once built and floating, and that it could stay afloat in that massive amount of rain.

Not to mention the classic "where did all the rain come from? And where did it go when it receded?"

We know the boat can't be built. The longest wooden ship ever actually built, the Wyoming, sunk largely due to the problems caused by building a ship that length of wood.

While the Wyoming was the same length as the same length of the purported Ark, Noah's alleged boat was much more massive, and thus would have been a lot more prone to the same problems. Also the Ark would have been clinker built, as all boats were at the time, making it even less seaworthy again.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They didn't have saws back then. Not in that area.

[Minimalist]

I'm still confused as to how all 400,000 known species of plants survived

They survived because it did not happen, Shadow.  It's just a story written by moralizing assholes who stole it from older and wiser cultures.

Problem solved!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm still confused as to how all 400,000 known species of plants survived

They survived because it did not happen, Shadow.  It's just a story written by moralizing assholes who stole it from older and wiser cultures.

Problem solved!

I think that was a rhetorical device, Min. 

[Minimalist]

Me, too.

Before Dripshit or one of the other morons started in with how 'fucking god can do anything' and all that shit.

[Godscreated]

I see you don't care about science if it comes from Christians, so tell me why should I care about science that come from atheist.

GC

You haven't provided science done by christers. You've provided unevidenced assertions. Unless you're willing to provide some evidence...

 Son it's all over the internet. It's something I've known for the last forty years.

GC

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I see you don't care about science if it comes from Christians, so tell me why should I care about science that come from atheist.

GC

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It was built out of wood to the specifications the Bible gives.

GC

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 Correct a scaled replica floated in a large tank that had waves produced to represent the conditions that were suspected to be during the flood.  just as engineers do with modern day vessels before they build them, see Christians do use science and use it well.

GC

The most comprehensive test of this (of which I'm aware) was a Smithsonian article from a few years ago.  A group of physics students built a scale model and worked out that the Ark as described could be loaded with animals and would float, but that's about all it would do, and not for very long.  The length of the beams required would make them extremely fragile, and they would shear under their own weight within a few hours (you could get round that by using smaller beams spliced together, but that would drastically increase the likelihood of leaks).  Even if the Ark did manage to stay afloat, the weight of the barge + cargo would put the upper deck of the Ark less than a metre above the waterline, so that even a modest wave would flood the deck and capsize the boat.

I think a fair test would be to build a child's boat out of cardboard, set it in a wading pool, and turn a firehose on it.

Boru

 Your arrogance is showing. I've know about the test for forty years where you been.

GC

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 Correct a scaled replica floated in a large tank that had waves produced to represent the conditions that were suspected to be during the flood.  just as engineers do with modern day vessels before they build them, see Christians do use science and use it well.

GC

Models can scale things like buoyancy and fluid dynamics.

A scale model, for pretty obvious reasons, cannot replicate torsional stresses to scale, or, specific to a hull, lateral and longitudinal keel stresses to scale. This is stuff they teach you like day one when modeling in wind tunnels and wave pools. The square-cube law is important here; if you increase an object's size, its surface area increases by a power of two, and its weight increases by a power of three. The structural rigidity, however, increases at a slower rate than the weight. This is important. The bigger something gets, the more fragile it is. Think of the Titanic. Ass in the air, that structural steel snapped like a twig. 

You need to find out what really sunk the Titanic.

So they could tell that it might have floated, and that with a representative cargo load it might not capsize. But they cannot tell you just in a wave pool alone what happens when a wave hits at an angle so that there is a massive torsional stress across the keel. For that, you need computer models. This is what real ships have to go through. A gopherwood ship, 450ft long, would not survive a wave that hit it at an angle. Other wooden ships give empirical evidence that this is so. The Wyoming foundered in the first major storm it got stuck in, and before that needed modern pumps to keep afloat because of how much water came in when the planks stretched and warped because of the length.[/quote]

 Do you even know the properties of gopher wood?

GC

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Your arrogance is showing. I've know about the test for forty years where you been.

GC

Neat trick.  The test to which I was referring took place in 2014.

Do you find it odd that when Ark simulations are done by people who wish to prove the Flood narrative to be true, the Ark always works, whereas simulations done by people with no axe to grind either way always expose fatal flaws in the story?

Boru