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Admitting You're a Sinner
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 29, 2018 at 2:40 pm
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 29, 2018 at 3:51 pm (This post was last modified: January 29, 2018 at 3:54 pm by drfuzzy.)
(January 29, 2018 at 11:45 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(January 29, 2018 at 6:48 am)Banned Wrote:



It's a reference and starting point.
The reference and starting point comment was in response to LC's:  "That's a strange way to begin a reply in a discussion about why you believe the Bible is true.  I mean...unless you’re trying to reason in a circle."

LC: No, actually.  It’s a non-starter and a logical fallacy.  Logically speaking, it is fallacious to reference the Bible as evidence or reason for the truth of the Bible.  Thanks for playing though.  Maybe some day I’ll get an intellectually honest answer to my question, but I’m not holding my breath.

^^^^^   Worship    If you can use the Bible (which is the claim) to prove that it's stories are true, then you can use a comic book to prove that Spiderman exists.  What is needed, and never supplied, is external proof. Some type of data that is completely removed from holy texts and stories and sermons and apologetics - or anything crafted by believers to try to prove their claim. That's not the way "proof" works.
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 29, 2018 at 4:06 pm
You are getting an intellectually honest answer.  Magic book really is why people believe in magic book.  It's just that, for all it's honesty, it isn't all that intellectual.
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#514
RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
February 1, 2018 at 7:17 am
(January 29, 2018 at 11:45 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(January 29, 2018 at 6:48 am)Banned Wrote: It's a reference and starting point.

No, actually.  It’s a non-starter and a logical fallacy.  Logically speaking, it is fallacious to reference the Bible as evidence or reason for the truth of the Bible.  Thanks for playing though. Maybe some day I’ll get an intellectually honest answer to my question, but I’m not holding my breath.

The Bible is the beginning of my reasoning. There's nothing dishonest about that.
If you want to know how I think - start there.
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
February 1, 2018 at 7:49 am (This post was last modified: February 1, 2018 at 7:51 am by Amarok.)
Nope still circular

The bible is not a valid axiom. So this attempt at presup nonsense fails .
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
February 1, 2018 at 9:03 am
(February 1, 2018 at 7:17 am)Banned Wrote:
(January 29, 2018 at 11:45 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: No, actually.  It’s a non-starter and a logical fallacy.  Logically speaking, it is fallacious to reference the Bible as evidence or reason for the truth of the Bible.  Thanks for playing though.  Maybe some day I’ll get an intellectually honest answer to my question, but I’m not holding my breath.

The Bible is the beginning of my reasoning. There's nothing dishonest about that.
If you want to know how I think - start there.

The bible is dishonest for starters. There is no reasoning to be found therein. If you start there then you are not reasoning. At all.
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
February 1, 2018 at 9:10 am
Skins are more real than sins: https://atheistforums.org/thread-53289.html
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
February 1, 2018 at 9:16 am
(February 1, 2018 at 7:17 am)Banned Wrote:
(January 29, 2018 at 11:45 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: No, actually.  It’s a non-starter and a logical fallacy.  Logically speaking, it is fallacious to reference the Bible as evidence or reason for the truth of the Bible.  Thanks for playing though.  Maybe some day I’ll get an intellectually honest answer to my question, but I’m not holding my breath.

The Bible is the beginning of my reasoning. There's nothing dishonest about that.
If you want to know how I think - start there.

If the Bible is the beginning of your reasoning, then your reasoning is fundamentally flawed, and I don’t have a whole lot more to say to you.  Long live Harry Potter!
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
February 1, 2018 at 10:50 am
(February 1, 2018 at 7:17 am)Banned Wrote:
(January 29, 2018 at 11:45 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: No, actually.  It’s a non-starter and a logical fallacy.  Logically speaking, it is fallacious to reference the Bible as evidence or reason for the truth of the Bible.  Thanks for playing though.  Maybe some day I’ll get an intellectually honest answer to my question, but I’m not holding my breath.

The Bible is the beginning of my reasoning. There's nothing dishonest about that.
If you want to know how I think - start there.

That's pathetic. To use one of the most flawed, illogical, ridiculous pieces of literature ever written as the base of your entire existence?  You would be better off as an obsessed Trekkie, getting therapy to convince yourself that you can actually go out in public without first putting on a Trek uniform and Vulcan ear-pieces.
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
February 2, 2018 at 6:36 am (This post was last modified: February 2, 2018 at 6:41 am by Banned.)
(February 1, 2018 at 7:49 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Nope still circular

The bible is not a valid axiom. So this attempt at presup nonsense fails .

It's only a circular argument if it is false.

That's what a lot of people are hoping.
(February 1, 2018 at 9:16 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(February 1, 2018 at 7:17 am)Banned Wrote: The Bible is the beginning of my reasoning. There's nothing dishonest about that.
If you want to know how I think - start there.

If the Bible is the beginning of your reasoning, then your reasoning is fundamentally flawed, and I don’t have a whole lot more to say to you.  Long live Harry Potter!

I am surprised how long it took you to conclude that I am flawed in my reasoning.
(February 1, 2018 at 10:50 am)drfuzzy Wrote:
(February 1, 2018 at 7:17 am)Banned Wrote: The Bible is the beginning of my reasoning. There's nothing dishonest about that.
If you want to know how I think - start there.

That's pathetic. To use one of the most flawed, illogical, ridiculous pieces of literature ever written as the base of your entire existence?  You would be better off as an obsessed Trekkie, getting therapy to convince yourself that you can actually go out in public without first putting on a Trek uniform and Vulcan ear-pieces.

Your response is typical of someone who has either turned their back on God, or has a scant hearsay knowledge of the Bible, and has never really studied it in earnest.
I'm thinking the latter applies.
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