Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist

[J a c k]

Take pride? I have tried during this whole thread to remain open to all arguments. I have read every post and considered it. I did not pick a side, so I could throw rocks at the other. But this is not something I can try to consider. I respect discussion, but this felt personal.

[Longhorn]

Who is saying it was acceptable? Whether it’s legal is exactly what we’re arguing in this thread. I don’t think anyone for a second said it was fine.

[Catholic_Lady]

It was unacceptable. Just not illegal, based strictly on the information given.

[Thumpalumpacus]

There's a lot more Drich in y'all than you seem to understand. Reread that thread, read your own goddamned words.

My, how things have changed.

[Catholic_Lady]

You just said, whether or not the story depicts an actual criminal act is arguable. I don't see how your take on all this is so far off from ours.

[Thumpalumpacus]

You just said, whether or not the story depicts an actual criminal act is arguable. I don't see how your take on all this is so far off from ours.

I've never said his acts were clearly criminal at any point in this thread. I'm open to evidence, and also open to exculpation.

My point here is that survivors here of sexual assault are levying the same arguments against Grace that very much hurt themselves. They are dismissing her out of hand even as he has not argued the facts, facts which seem to fit New York state's legal definition of "forcible touching". "She didn't report it", it must not have happened.

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Oh, hey, there's this too:

Of course I don't know for sure that all 50 were telling the truth.  Of COURSE some women lie about being assaulted.  For lots of reasons, including the ones you just mentioned.  And it's despicable.  But I was never talking about SOL's.  What I have been objecting to this whole time is your insane allegation that every single woman who does not report her assault is a liar, and wasn't assaulted, lol.

[Longhorn]

I don’t think there’s anything resembling honest discussion here anymore. Thread needs to die for real.

[Catholic_Lady]

You just said, whether or not the story depicts an actual criminal act is arguable. I don't see how your take on all this is so far off from ours.

I've never said his acts were clearly criminal at any point in this thread. I'm open to evidence, and also open to exculpation.

My point here is that survivors here of sexual assault are levying the same arguments against Grace that very much hurt themselves. They are dismissing her out of hand even as he has not argued the facts, facts which seem to fit New York state's legal definition of "forcible touching". "She didn't report it", it must not have happened.

But as Joods explained, her issue isnt that Grace didnt report it to police. Its that Grace reported it to the media instead of reporting it to the police. And that the story didn't depict sexual assault in the first place, thereby hanging this guy on public opinion rather than allowing him a fair trial.

None of us is saying sexual assault didn't happen because Grace didnt go to the police. We think sexual assault didn't happen because the story Grace gave didn't depict sexual assault.

[GrandizerII]

I've never said his acts were clearly criminal at any point in this thread. I'm open to evidence, and also open to exculpation.

My point here is that survivors here of sexual assault are levying the same arguments against Grace that very much hurt themselves. They are dismissing her out of hand even as he has not argued the facts, facts which seem to fit New York state's legal definition of "forcible touching". "She didn't report it", it must not have happened.

But as Joods explained, her issue isnt that Grace didnt report it to police. Its that Grace reported it to the media instead of reporting it to the police. And that the story didn't depict sexual assault in the first place, thereby hanging this guy on public opinion rather than allowing him a fair trial.

None of us is saying sexual assault didn't happen because Grace didnt go to the police. We think sexual assault didn't happen because the story Grace gave didn't depict sexual assault.

It seems that, Babe approached Grace for the story, not the other way around. Dont know how to copy paste on mobile so look it up on Vox.com

[Joods]

As an actual victim of an SA, I can wholeheartedly say to those who still think I was victim blaming: you can go Fuck right off. You know nothing and you have a lot of fucking nerve.

And yet you still wield the argument that spun you out into butthurt. She didn't call the cops. Does that mean she wasn't assaulted? Forgive my pointing out the obvious, but if an argument hurts you so much that you ragequit, you should probably not pick it up as if it is your own.

And yeah, I got a lot of fucking nerve. Deal with it.

Wow Thump, just wow. First of all - I NEVER said she didn't report it. I questioned WHY she would go to a reporter first. Yet you still refuse to read anything that's actually there. But as usual - take your cues from your girl and keep misrepresenting what really was said. 

 If a person felt they were assaulted then rather than going to a reporter first,  they should have gone to the police.

Like you did?

Here, let's read your own words:

You cannot possibly be serious.

There could be an unknown number of underlying reasons why someone doesn't report being raped for days, weeks, months or even YEARS. They include:

Threats from their rapist.
Blackmail.
Shame and guilt.
Being completely alone.
PTSD.
Feelings that no one will believe or understand them.
Depending on when the rape happened: No DNA evidence.

Allow me to draw your attention to one of your reasons: "Feelings that no one will believe or understand them." Golly, that sounds familiar about right now.

 

Right. Because going to a reporter BEFORE going to the cops shows an overwhelming display of no one ever believing them. Oh yeah - it also shows that she had shame, was afraid, was threatened etc. Did ANY of what I listed above actually happen to this woman? No? Well then. I stand my ground and will continue to do so while you continue to stupidly twist my words and completely misrepresent what was actually said. Just like your girl does. Oh and one other thing. She isn't claiming she was raped. Did you know that there is a difference between being raped and being sexually assaulted? Methinks perhaps you should go back and re-read this thread because IIRC, your own girl tried to berate another contributor of this thread about not knowing the differences between the two. Something you clearly need an education on. 

I got a beat-down in that thread for arguing for Drich's ban over his posting to you.

 

Good for you. Did you want a pat on the back for that? A cookie maybe? Thena? Come deal with your man. Stroke his ego. Clearly he needs it. 

The purpose of forums is to discuss things.

Oddly enough, you didn't say a fucking word when Shell told her to shut up. Where was your outrage then?

If you can't see where my outrage is - you are stupid. I'm not going to defend your girl when she was accusing me of being a victim blamer. Both of you can fuck off. 

It's amazing how thoughtless people can be sometimes. There are at least four women in this thread who've talked about their own sexual assaults, and only one of them has the empathy to read the report without virtue-signalling their martyrdom: Mermaid. Maybe Grace's experience wasn't as bad as your own, but for fuck's sake, don't you see how obnoxious it was anyway?

I'll bet you walked uphill, seven miles in snow both ways, right? Just because you had it worse does not mean that Aziz's behavior was acceptable, or even legal (that's arguable). But hey, take pride in your having it worse than she did, and dispensing nuggets of judgement.

Being raped is NOTHING to take pride in. I never said his behavior was acceptable. Matter of fact, in a previous post, I stated that BOTH of them are responsible adults. I clearly outlined what the BOTH could have done to prevent anything from happening. As far as legality - I am not going to sit here and continue repeating what you obviously refuse to read correctly. 

It's amazing how idiotic some people can be sometimes. There are at least two or three individuals in this thread who have chosen to sit in harsh judgment of those who feel like Grace wasn't a victim of any sort of SA. Just because we don't agree with you or your girl or Grace or anyone else who thinks the way you do - doesn't make us bad people. It doesn't make us obnoxious. It doesn't make us unsympathetic or any other adjective you want to throw at us. 

It makes us logically want to seek out more information before casting judgment on a guy because a woman chose to go to a reporter and tell a story for which there are no records of her filing a report with the police. And maybe she did. But we don't know that. There is no evidence that she was threatened. There is no evidence that she was held against her will. She admitted to being able to leave the house of her own free will. And she could clearly do so at any time. That's not placing blame on her. That is discussing what her options were and what she could have done. Learn the fucking difference.