Rebellion against god

[drfuzzy]

Boy is that ever sick.

Yep, it makes God sick and he hates the whole scenario, evil doers will be free to run the whole course, and there will be a point when enough is enough.
Evil doers cannot be left to go on forever, suffering has to end.

Oh, and by the way, evil does will not go on forever.  No human is immortal and no afterlife has been proven to exist. 
Dying is probably like falling asleep (if you're lucky) lights out, nobody home, bye bye, no more thoughts ever.

[Banned]

What about the truth about yourself?

I'm a human female.  Science tells me about biology, psychology, dna, genetics, motivation, cosmology, geology, history . . . and hundreds of other interesting things, and that's quite enough for me, thank you.

Sounds like you are a descendant of Adam according to those parameters.

DNA points to two ancestors. Geology is the remains of the global flood, biology tells me you developed over nine months and not billions of years, history is divided by Christ, genetics is not an accident, psychology shows that people love, motivation - "I want to live," why would you if evolution of billions of years, hasn't taught us to accept death?, cosmology - the sun is supposed to turn into a white dwarf - that's fairy tales.

Science hasn't told you anything - nature did.

And you're female, well that's politically debatable now.
God made the world based on male and female principles, in the structure of matter, its background forces, the structure and presentation of nature as well as biology, and the patterns of behavior in all of the above are based on male female traits. Paradoxical synergies.

That's definitely nothing to do with an accident. That is highly intelligent design.

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Oh, and by the way, evil does will not go on forever.  No human is immortal and no afterlife has been proven to exist. 
Dying is probably like falling asleep (if you're lucky) lights out, nobody home, bye bye, no more thoughts ever.

That's right, fortunately death is going unconscious just as if going to sleep.
It doesn't matter how long someone has been dead, the moment that they are resurrected, it is as if they had only a second to sleep.
So when someone awakes from death, they think that they never died.

The Devil teaches humans that they have some kind of immortality - If you disobey God, "you will surely not die, but will be as gods..."
But human life is what it is and nothing more. Any afterlife must incorporate the present mind and body, because that has been its development, experience and authenticity.

People used to write R.I.P. on gravestones, when the Bible was correctly understood by protestants, but now they have bought the Catholic lie again - the immortality of the spook.

[drfuzzy]

I'm a human female.  Science tells me about biology, psychology, dna, genetics, motivation, cosmology, geology, history . . . and hundreds of other interesting things, and that's quite enough for me, thank you.

Sounds like you are a descendant of Adam according to those parameters.

DNA points to two ancestors. Geology is the remains of the global flood, biology tells me you developed over nine months and not billions of years, history is divided by Christ, genetics is not an accident, psychology shows that people love, motivation - "I want to live," why would you if evolution of billions of years, hasn't taught us to accept death?, cosmology - the sun is supposed to turn into a white dwarf - that's fairy tales.

Science hasn't told you anything - nature did.

And you're female, well that's politically debatable now.
God made the world based on male and female principles, in the structure of matter, its background forces, the structure and presentation of nature as well as biology, and the patterns of behavior in all of the above are based on male female traits. Paradoxical synergies.

That's definitely nothing to do with an accident. That is highly intelligent design.

---

Oh, and by the way, evil does will not go on forever.  No human is immortal and no afterlife has been proven to exist. 
Dying is probably like falling asleep (if you're lucky) lights out, nobody home, bye bye, no more thoughts ever.

That's right, fortunately death is going unconscious just as if going to sleep.
It doesn't matter how long someone has been dead, the moment that they are resurrected, it is as if they had only a second to sleep.
So when someone awakes from death, they think that they never died.

The Devil teaches humans that they have some kind of immortality - If you disobey God, "you will surely not die, but will be as gods..."
But human life is what it is and nothing more. Any afterlife must incorporate the present mind and body, because that has been its development, experience and authenticity.

People used to write R.I.P. on gravestones, when the Bible was correctly understood by protestants, but now they have bought the Catholic lie again - the immortality of the spook.

(sigh) I have the flu.  I just don't have the energy to address all of that crazy right now.
You can't convince me of anything about the afterlife, God, or the Devil until you prove they exist.  And nobody has been able to do that up until now.
In order to accomplish that feat, you are going to have to get a deity to show up in person.  In front of TV cameras and a team of scientists.  
And you REALLY need to do some more research on human biology, DNA, and development, if you think that ONE pair starts the human race.  Wow.

[Astreja]

Yep, it makes God sick and he hates the whole scenario, evil doers will be free to run the whole course, and there will be a point when enough is enough.
Evil doers cannot be left to go on forever, suffering has to end.

Any and all suffering caused by your alleged god's refusal to deal with it in a timely matter becomes the responsibility of your alleged god.

You quite obviously worship a being that's more interested in playing games with mortals, letting evildoers run amok, rather than helping people out of a bad spot.  Perhaps it should just take a flying leap into its own unquenchable fire, as it's a useless git anyway.

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DNA points to two ancestors. Geology is the remains of the global flood, biology tells me you developed over nine months and not billions of years...

DNA does not point to two ancestors, and absolutely rules out a historical Adam and Eve.  There is no credible evidence for a global flood.  Your last comment, presumably an attempt to make a cute and snarky remark about evolution, is absolutely pathetic.

Stop pretending you understand science.  You're *very* bad at it.

[Banned]

(sigh) I have the flu.  I just don't have the energy to address all of that crazy right now.
You can't convince me of anything about the afterlife, God, or the Devil until you prove they exist.  And nobody has been able to do that up until now.
In order to accomplish that feat, you are going to have to get a deity to show up in person.  In front of TV cameras and a team of scientists.  
And you REALLY need to do some more research on human biology, DNA, and development, if you think that ONE pair starts the human race.  Wow.

The condition of the relationship to God will never be showmanship, as the devil would have it, but plain trust/faith, nothing more and nothing less.

What if you were granted a show from heaven, like trumpets, bright angels, whatever, how many people should see it and which one of them can't be labelled as deluded?
And what if you thought you were going mental?
What proof would you have, and how would you explain it to the media?

Would a video recording or a team of nerds with clip boards be convincing?
Or how about an article in a peer reviewed science magazine?
Or how about a reliable TV interview with the mad woman?
How could you prove that you and your group weren't set up to some kind of publicized joke?
Hello YouTube.

What if a whole football stadium of people saw "it" ?

Is it possible to fool the entire world?

How many millions in China believed that Chairman Mao makes the sunrise? They couldn't all be wrong?

What if God put on a light show for the entire world?
It would not change their attitude about who he was, there would still be room for doubt and rebellion, just like there was with the angels who knew God.
Seeing God did not stop the delusion and rebellion there.

We are talking about trust and genuine love here - nothing can prove that - unless that pure love becomes a human being, and suffers misrepresentation, persecution and the death of a foolish criminal. Apparently that was a failure.

The universe is so vast that you could be so far from heaven...where your home is, how would you handle doubts about your safety?
Would you ask for a sign or just trust that you are important enough to God to give his life for?

What do you do in your relationships, do you send them to a clinical trial just to prove they like you, or do you just trust?

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Any and all suffering caused by your alleged god's refusal to deal with it in a timely matter becomes the responsibility of your alleged god.

You quite obviously worship a being that's more interested in playing games with mortals, letting evildoers run amok, rather than helping people out of a bad spot.  Perhaps it should just take a flying leap into its own unquenchable fire, as it's a useless git anyway.

In your opinion, if there was a creator responsible for human life in the first place, what would you have done, or what would you do now?

You've already bought up a couple of examples - letting evil doers run free, rather than helping people out of a bad spot. And of course the question of suffering.

So what should be done now, or what should have been done in the first place?

[Astreja]

Any and all  suffering caused by your alleged god's refusal to deal with it in a timely matter becomes the responsibility of your alleged god.

You quite obviously worship a being that's more interested in playing games with mortals, letting evildoers run amok, rather than helping people out of a bad spot.  Perhaps it should just take a flying leap into its own unquenchable fire, as it's a useless git anyway.

In your opinion, if there was a creator responsible for human life in the first place, what would you have done, or what would you do now?

You've already bought up a couple of examples - letting evil doers run free, rather than helping people out of a bad spot. And of course the question of suffering.

So what should be done now, or what should have been done in the first place?

What would I do?  I would provide humans with better natural defenses so that they can fight off attackers even at a young age.  I would also provide accurate and timely information that would allow humans to avoid attacks against themselves and stop attacks against others.

I would also completely redesign the entire endocrine system so that sexual attraction and capability would be dependent on reciprocity -- it would be impossible to engage in sex with an unwilling partner.

[vorlon13]

What if I want to be the unwilling partner ?

[ohreally]

(sigh) I have the flu.  I just don't have the energy to address all of that crazy right now.
You can't convince me of anything about the afterlife, God, or the Devil until you prove they exist.  And nobody has been able to do that up until now.
In order to accomplish that feat, you are going to have to get a deity to show up in person.  In front of TV cameras and a team of scientists.  
And you REALLY need to do some more research on human biology, DNA, and development, if you think that ONE pair starts the human race.  Wow.

The condition of the relationship to God will never be showmanship, as the devil would have it, but plain trust/faith, nothing more and nothing less.

What if you were granted a show from heaven, like trumpets, bright angels, whatever, how many people should see it and which one of them can't be labelled as deluded?
And what if you thought you were going mental?
What proof would you have, and how would you explain it to the media?

Would a video recording or a team of nerds with clip boards be convincing?
Or how about an article in a peer reviewed science magazine?
Or how about a reliable TV interview with the mad woman?
How could you prove that you and your group weren't set up to some kind of publicized joke?
Hello YouTube.

What if a whole football stadium of people saw "it" ?

Is it possible to fool the entire world?

How many millions in China believed that Chairman Mao makes the sunrise? They couldn't all be wrong?

What if God put on a light show for the entire world?
It would not change their attitude about who he was, there would still be room for doubt and rebellion, just like there was with the angels who knew God.
Seeing God did not stop the delusion and rebellion there.

We are talking about trust and genuine love here - nothing can prove that - unless that pure love becomes a human being, and suffers misrepresentation, persecution and the death of a foolish criminal. Apparently that was a failure.

The universe is so vast that you could be so far from heaven...where your home is,  how would you handle doubts about your safety?
Would you ask for a sign or just trust that you are important enough to God to give his life for?

What do you do in your relationships, do you send them to a clinical trial just to prove they like you, or do you just trust?

---

Any and all  suffering caused by your alleged god's refusal to deal with it in a timely matter becomes the responsibility of your alleged god.

You quite obviously worship a being that's more interested in playing games with mortals, letting evildoers run amok, rather than helping people out of a bad spot.  Perhaps it should just take a flying leap into its own unquenchable fire, as it's a useless git anyway.

In your opinion, if there was a creator responsible for human life in the first place, what would you have done, or what would you do now?

You've already bought up a couple of examples - letting evil doers run free, rather than helping people out of a bad spot. And of course the question of suffering.

So what should be done now, or what should have been done in the first place?

Is this a response meant for adults or 7 year old kids?   I can't believe you think this is compelling in any way.

It always has to be faith because there is no god, it relies upon people.  You have to make all of this stuff up in your head because there is nothing to come down and show itself.

[Astreja]

What if I want to be the unwilling partner ?

Well, I guess there would be an element of willingness in your unwillingness.  

[Banned]

What would I do?  I would provide humans with better natural defenses so that they can fight off attackers even at a young age.  I would also provide accurate and timely information that would allow humans to avoid attacks against themselves and stop attacks against others.

I would also completely redesign the entire endocrine system so that sexual attraction and capability would be dependent on reciprocity -- it would be impossible to engage in sex with an unwilling partner.

So true, I agree.

To what extent should they be able to defend themselves against these monsters?
A look can kill or just a nasty sting?
Or perhaps camouflage?