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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 3:27 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 2:35 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 31, 2018 at 2:26 pm)Chad32 Wrote: The complaint is that he supposedly gave us free will, but punishes us for using that free will. What's the point of free will, if he doesn't respect differences in opinion?
No. Let's not be obtuse on purpose. He "punishes us" (if you wanna call it that) for using our free will to do bad things instead of good things. We have the choice to go either way.
But you knew that. So I'm not sure what your complaint is...
I mean, would you rather us not have free will at all? Or have free will with 0 negative consequences of using the free will to do bad things?
Or maybe you are just looking for things to bitch about no matter what it was like.
There are a lot of things he considers bad that, empirically, are not bad. That's where the problem comes in. I would rather be treated as an equal than a slave. Modern secular societies are doing much better than theocratic dictatorships for good reason.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 3:29 pm
As an aside, I do want to thank the Christians who have attempted to answer my question. I'm happy that the thread has gone ~10 pages (default post viewing settings) and has stayed mostly on-topic.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 3:29 pm
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(January 31, 2018 at 3:03 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: (January 31, 2018 at 2:58 pm)alpha male Wrote: What the fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand?
Given enough time and enough atheists, every issue ends up at free will. 
At least atheists don't use it as an excuse to explain how an omnipotent being fucked things up so badly.
Atheists use it to derail any thread on religion that they're not doing well in...as in this one. I don't see that that's any better.
(January 31, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I would rather be treated as an equal than a slave.
John 15
5 No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 3:37 pm
With friends like that, you certainly won't need any enemies.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 3:41 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 3:29 pm)alpha male Wrote: (January 31, 2018 at 3:03 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: At least atheists don't use it as an excuse to explain how an omnipotent being fucked things up so badly.
Atheists use it to derail any thread on religion that they're not doing well in...as in this one. I don't see that that's any better.
(January 31, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I would rather be treated as an equal than a slave.
The OP wanted to discuss the "why" behind the "Jesus is Lord" psychology. The Romans engaged in the exact same behavior, as have numerous cultures. Such meets people's needs, individual as well as collective, which the politicians exploit to their own advantage.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 4:04 pm
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1. Simply defining your dictator as benevolent does not make him so . Every follower of ever tyrant has their leader so.
2. A dictators declaration of "What is bad" is just that .
3. Show me one good dictatorship.
4. A society built on consensus Trumps any tyrant .
5. Following and Submission no matter being debunks that being goodness.
6. No the point of parenting is to breed a strong independent person .
Quote:Atheists use it to derail any thread on religion that they're not doing well in...as in this one. I don't see that that's any better.
Nope it's something we point out because your religion sucks at accounting for . And you brought up freewill not us . And it's not a derailment if it's directly related to the subject .
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 4:12 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 12:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To the OP, I must admit, I don't get why some have such a hard time understanding this...
If you confidently believed that something was really good and pure and would bring the ultimate fulfillment, wouldn't you want to follow it?
I will not allow myself ever to go without doubt. It is my nature.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 4:23 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 12:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To the OP, I must admit, I don't get why some have such a hard time understanding this...
If you confidently believed that something was really good and pure and would bring the ultimate fulfillment, wouldn't you want to follow it?
Perhaps >prof can explain it better. Sappy music yeah.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 4:24 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 3:29 pm)alpha male Wrote: (January 31, 2018 at 3:03 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: At least atheists don't use it as an excuse to explain how an omnipotent being fucked things up so badly.
Atheists use it to derail any thread on religion that they're not doing well in...as in this one. I don't see that that's any better.
(January 31, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I would rather be treated as an equal than a slave.
John 15
5 No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you.
For any verse like that, I'm sure I can find a contrary verse.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 5:26 pm
(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html
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