Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?

[RoadRunner79]

...you don't see how a dictatorship restricts individual autonomy? I'm not talking about God right now. Even Democratic republics restrict autonomy in many ways (ex: regulating what people are allowed to put in their own bodies)

I would agree, that all forms of government have rules,  even the local authority here at AF have restrictions that need to be abided by, and not everything goes (just ask Zen Classic). 
I also agree, that the discussion/complaint  is not specific to talking about God.   If one is arguing about all government, then I don't see a reason to single out dictatorships or Monarchy, which the only real difference required is the structure or ultimate authority.  

Are you proposing anarchy?   I think that even in that you will that someone is going to impose what they want onto others (there's just no centralized body responsible).  I don't think that anarchy is good.


Personally, I would rather have a good monarchy over a bad democracy.   I think that a good government is always to be preferred to a bad one.  It seems kind of silly to make a case for the bad government over the good.  The main benefit in a democracy is when you have a bad government, not a good one.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's incredibly difficult to take anyone arguing for a dictatorship seriously.  Particularly in that it is only due to your -not- living in a dictatorship that you find yourself enabled to make such comments in the first place.  That is the reality of a dictatorship, regardless of whatever commitments your other fantasies lead you to make about them.

Godamn your god, godamn your holy spirit, and godamn your jesus. Now...tell me, what would your "benevolent dictator", or any dictator... make of that?

[Aegon]

...you don't see how a dictatorship restricts individual autonomy? I'm not talking about God right now. Even Democratic republics restrict autonomy in many ways (ex: regulating what people are allowed to put in their own bodies)

I would agree, that all forms of government have rules,  even the local authority here at AF have restrictions that need to be abided by, and not everything goes (just ask Zen Classic). 
I also agree, that the discussion/complaint  is not specific to talking about God.   If one is arguing about all government, then I don't see a reason to single out dictatorships or Monarchy, which the only real difference required is the structure or ultimate authority.  

Are you proposing anarchy?   I think that even in that you will that someone is going to impose what they want onto others (there's just no centralized body responsible).  I don't think that anarchy is good.


Personally, I would rather have a good monarchy over a bad democracy.   I think that a good government is always to be preferred to a bad one.  It seems kind of silly to make a case for the bad government over the good.  The main benefit in a democracy is when you have a bad government, not a good one.

I'm not arguing all government is bad. Definitely not. I figured I wouldn't have to explain the level of control a dictatorship or monarchy has over the individual in comparison to a democracy. My point is the liberal democratic republic I live in restricts too heavily in my opinion, but the point was dumb because clearly you must understand how an individuals rights fare under a dictatorship or monarchy... 'm taken aback by how casually you accept the idea of those systems. And obviously you can't just throw around things like "good government" and "bad government" without a definition. Any system that so tightly controls or restricts the populous is bad IMO.

"The only real difference is the structure or ultimate suthority." What? That's like.... the biggest difference possible.

[Amarok]

RR is confusing dictatorship with group agreed upon rules . And there is no such things as a good dictator .

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Submission is never a virtue. cooperation among equals and peers is .

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Relationships are not submission they a unification of equal parties for the benefit of both .   

Rules only have validity because people agree to follow them

[GrandizerII]

One of the (many) things I don't understand about Christianity is the notion of wanting Jesus to be your lord.  To want to genuflect before him and be ruled over by him.  As an American, the idea of a central, non-democratically elected leader is completely anathema to my beliefs, and it confuses me that so many self-proclaimed patriots here seem so willing to be lorded over in a divine sense.  IMO, a beneficial dictator is still a dictator.

So, Christians of AF, why do you want to be lorded over by Jesus?  Why is this something you desire?

Partly something to do with lack of (or struggles with) emotional independence. In other words, they haven't grown up emotionally.

[I_am_not_mafia]

I expect this is why christianity has such an issue with male homosexuality. Most people have bisexual tendencies to some extent, so if you repress them and give people a single outlet for those desires then you can more easily control. So Jesus becomes a substitute dominant male lover.

[John V]

One of the (many) things I don't understand about Christianity is the notion of wanting Jesus to be your lord.  To want to genuflect before him and be ruled over by him.  As an American, the idea of a central, non-democratically elected leader is completely anathema to my beliefs, and it confuses me that so many self-proclaimed patriots here seem so willing to be lorded over in a divine sense.  IMO, a beneficial dictator is still a dictator.

So, Christians of AF, why do you want to be lorded over by Jesus?  Why is this something you desire?

I work for a wise and benevolent dictator, and it's the best job I've ever had. I'll never leave.

[GrandizerII]

One of the (many) things I don't understand about Christianity is the notion of wanting Jesus to be your lord.  To want to genuflect before him and be ruled over by him.  As an American, the idea of a central, non-democratically elected leader is completely anathema to my beliefs, and it confuses me that so many self-proclaimed patriots here seem so willing to be lorded over in a divine sense.  IMO, a beneficial dictator is still a dictator.

So, Christians of AF, why do you want to be lorded over by Jesus?  Why is this something you desire?

I work for a wise and benevolent dictator, and it's the best job I've ever had. I'll never leave.

LMAO

[vulcanlogician]

I work for a wise and benevolent dictator, and it's the best job I've ever had. I'll never leave.

Yep, I'm sure Stalin's goonies said the same thing.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. A religion that once swept through Rome and conquered it using nothing but love and pacifism has now ascribed its devotees to shit detail, cleaning up after the mighty Emperor Trump. (I'm glad you like your job, though.)

[John V]

I work for a wise and benevolent dictator, and it's the best job I've ever had. I'll never leave.

LMAO    

You find that funny because...?

Basically people are just saying that dictatorship is necessarily an undesirable state of affairs without giving reasons.