Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies

[pocaracas]

Rich? When I was 23 I got a job at a convenience store that gave me health insurance. If you work harder than other people, it's not that tough to have health insurance.

What happens to everyone who's not so lucky to have a job that pays for health insurance?
How many convenience stores don't give their employees health insurance? How many jobs don't give it?
How many people are out there who can't get a job? How many can't get it due to health reasons?... Should society just let them die poor?

[The Industrial Atheist]

Dude, it's not about whether you have health insurance or not.

According to the article it was.

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Are you saying health care should only be for the very hardest workers? Because if so that's ridiculous.

I'm saying that people have some personal responsibility to see that they have insurance.

In this case, they say he was a skilled carpenter, yet couldn't afford health insurance. That means he wasn't disciplined enough to be self-employed, and should have been working for an employer with health benefits.

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Lol. TIL that all health insurance plans are equal, I guess. I'll tell you right now that if it weren't for Medicare Part B I wouldn't have been able to afford dialysis treatments or a kidney transplant. Good ol Nixon gave kidney patients socialism in the 70s. Other people aren't so lucky.

Not so lucky? That attitude is part of the issue. People pay for everything else in life, but act as if you need luck to pay medical bills. No, you need insurance, and a savings account with money for deductibles. If you work hard and don't buy lottery tickets, you can have those things.

There could have been any number of factors that have nothing to do with personal responsibility. Maybe there weren't enough contracts available for him, you know the work dried up? Or maybe he physically couldn't do enough work to afford insurance? The guy did have lung and brain cancer. Things aren't always cut and dried, black and white. Saying it's always or almost always about personal responsibility gives you a simple answer, not necessarily a correct one.

[Amarok]

Not so lucky? That attitude is part of the issue. People pay for everything else in life, but act as if you need luck to pay medical bills. No, you need insurance, and a savings account with money for deductibles. If you work hard and don't buy lottery tickets, you can have those things.

Again fuck you

Some have tried to counter the later meme by saying "Were not asking other people to pay for guns " i respond the implementation does not alter it's status as should in rights.

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 Even serious conservatives in other countries don't understand it. And I don't understand it either.

Yup that the case here . No Conservative  Canadian Prime Minister  in the last 60 years has oppose a system of universal healthcare . Hell even the last Conservative PM Steven Harper declared healthcare a moral duty of the state .

[LadyForCamus]

Rich? When I was 23 I got a job at a convenience store that gave me health insurance. If you work harder than other people, it's not that tough to have health insurance.

What happens to everyone who's not so lucky to have a job that pays for health insurance?
How many convenience stores don't give their employees health insurance? How many jobs don't give it?
How many people are out there who can't get a job? How many can't get it due to health reasons?... Should society just let them die poor?

Pssshh...come on!  It’s their fault they didn’t save up enough of their allowance in middle school.  It’s their fault they didn’t choose the best degree from the most expensive private college.  It’s their fault they got laid off; they should have been better at their job!  It’s their fault they don’t make 200k/year.  It’s their fault for not realizing only well-off folk should have children and get to start a family.   If only these people would have been better people, then they would deserve health care. 😉

[Edwardo Piet]

Alpha is there with his Perfect Solution Fallacy, I notice.

More like a final solution.  

More like both

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Alpha is there with his Perfect Solution Fallacy, I notice.

Fixed that for you.

Alpha is Fallacy?

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Rich? When I was 23 I got a job at a convenience store that gave me health insurance. If you work harder than other people, it's not that tough to have health insurance.

Are you saying health care should only be for the very hardest workers? Because if so that's ridiculous.

It's especially absurd when you think about the fact that the people who are so sick that they need health care more than anyone else will be too sick to work hard enough to get it.

[Amarok]

[John V]

It's oft blurted by the rich and powerful the hard work= Wealth this is less a fact of reality and more a way of self righteous lecturing .

Seriously, you think that people with a poor work ethic are just as likely to have wealth as those with a strong work ethic?

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If you work hard and don't buy lottery tickets, you can have those things.

Today I learned that being wealthy is as simple as not buying lottery tickets.

Really, why do I bother? Later.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

I don't mind supporting free Healthcare for everyone. In every budget countries focus so much on military advancement it's ridiculous. Arsenal advancement should have stopped after atom bomb because what's the point? There's not going to be another world war but now it's about "having the biggest guns". One of the most distinct features of humans from other animals were that we were able to create weapons...one day will come when our greatest strength will be the cause of our greatest fall and possibly extinction. Don't worry though, we'll all be dead by then.

[John V]

I don't mind supporting free Healthcare for everyone. 

I wouldn't mind either - if it were accompanied by a ban on tobacco and sugar.

[Shell B]

It's oft blurted by the rich and powerful the hard work= Wealth this is less a fact of reality and more a way of self righteous lecturing .

Seriously, you think that people with a poor work ethic are just as likely to have wealth as those with a strong work ethic?

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Today I learned that being wealthy is as simple as not buying lottery tickets.

Really, why do I bother? Later.

Good argument. /sarcasms