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Why are some moderate religious afraid of atheism?
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 (February 13, 2018 at 12:48 am)Godscreated Wrote:(February 10, 2018 at 7:37 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: I get why fundamentalists are afraid of atheism, but why are some moderates too? Why do you feel so threatened? 
For me it boils down to my moderate religious grandmother thinking I'm not going to get into heaven. Even though she knows I'm a good person. She believes you can't get into heaven just by being good (It would make christianity and the bible completely obsolete otherwise), so she thinks atheism causes good people to go to hell.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html  (February 18, 2018 at 6:58 pm)Chad32 Wrote: For me it boils down to my moderate religious grandmother thinking I'm not going to get into heaven. Even though she knows I'm a good person. She believes you can't get into heaven just by being good (It would make christianity and the bible completely obsolete otherwise), so she thinks atheism causes good people to go to hell. I would remind your Grandmother that extremism in religiosity is no vice! And let me remind her also that moderation in the pursuit of religiosity is no virtue! The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
 (February 18, 2018 at 6:21 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(February 13, 2018 at 12:48 am)Godscreated Wrote: I'm not afraid of you or your none belief, there is nothing to be afraid of, your just a human that has no more power over me than an ant and a biting ant may just have a bit more. the only difference is I can step on the ant. I do not feel threatened, why would you ask such a silly question when the answer is above. Let me clarify this, with the God of the universe on my side whom do I need to fear? GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
RE: Why are some moderate religious afraid of atheism?
February 19, 2018 at 4:25 am
(This post was last modified: February 19, 2018 at 4:26 am by GrandizerII.)
(February 19, 2018 at 4:18 am)Godscreated Wrote:(February 18, 2018 at 6:21 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Why do you feel so threatened? Not necessarily whom, but more like what. Perhaps the prospect of fading away out of existence at some time in the future? You also sounded pretty aggressive there with the OP (who is, may I remind you, still rather young). Stepping on an ant? Why would you say such a thing in this context?  (February 19, 2018 at 12:02 am)vorlon13 Wrote:(February 18, 2018 at 6:58 pm)Chad32 Wrote: For me it boils down to my moderate religious grandmother thinking I'm not going to get into heaven. Even though she knows I'm a good person. She believes you can't get into heaven just by being good (It would make christianity and the bible completely obsolete otherwise), so she thinks atheism causes good people to go to hell. I disagree. ![[Image: 911-attack-twin-towers-terrorism.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i1.wp.com%2Fwww.ff.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F09%2F911-attack-twin-towers-terrorism.jpg)
(February 19, 2018 at 12:02 am)vorlon13 Wrote:(February 18, 2018 at 6:58 pm)Chad32 Wrote: For me it boils down to my moderate religious grandmother thinking I'm not going to get into heaven. Even though she knows I'm a good person. She believes you can't get into heaven just by being good (It would make christianity and the bible completely obsolete otherwise), so she thinks atheism causes good people to go to hell. I believe extremism in anything is a vice. It's what leads to conflict and wars, doesn't it? Two or more sides refusing to budge, to the point that violence breaks out. Without compromise, groups of differing beliefs can't get along, even if they both make some decent points in one area or another.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html  (February 10, 2018 at 7:46 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: I was referring to religious who don't believe in Hell at all, or any kind of punishment from God. My best guess is for most of those it is not nearly so much a matter of belief as it is of avoiding trigger words and subjects that might lead to unpleasant confrontations with family and friends. Many Catholics (and probably other Christians and Muslims) do not even necessarily believe in God exactly, but still prefer to go through the motions if that is what it takes for a measure of mutual acceptance and cooperation to be established in their social circles. I suspect that it is a very common thing among children.
Morituri Delendi!
They're afraid because when atheists express their opinions it's effectively us saying theists aren't entitled to their opinions!
(February 19, 2018 at 4:25 am)Grandizer Wrote:(February 19, 2018 at 4:18 am)Godscreated Wrote: I do not feel threatened, why would you ask such a silly question when the answer is above. Let me clarify this, with the God of the universe on my side whom do I need to fear? God would never allow Christianity to fade away, He has a plan whether you like it or not and He will see that it is carried out to the very end. I said I could squash the ant to show I have no fear of anyone because with God on my side I need not fear. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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