High school shooting in Parkland FL

[notimportant1234]

You are to hasty to defend missguided people just because it should be in their right to do and own what they see fit . This is not democracy my friend , this is blunt ignorance of the outcomes resulted from your so called "laws".

Except for the fact, and it is a fact, that I am not defending anyone. I am urging people to stop the goddamned name-calling and vituperation, set their personal feelings aside, and get to work with forward steps.

It's a lot harder than virtue-signalling, but on the other hand it at least stands a chance of working. Demonizing those who disagree with you, not so much.

Well the problem is that I didn't demonized people , I just urged them to come with some actual points to the conversation rather than pointing out the obvious. It is not about my feelings , it is about peoplr using concepts as violence and " people are going to be people" to counter the ideea of stricter gun laws , I'm sorry that I can't see how this kind of things help .

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Except for the fact, and it is a fact, that I am not defending anyone. I am urging people to stop the goddamned name-calling and vituperation, set their personal feelings aside, and get to work with forward steps.

It's a lot harder than virtue-signalling, but on the other hand it at least stands a chance of working. Demonizing those who disagree with you, not so much.

Well the problem is that I didn't demonized people , I just urged them to come with some actual points to the conversation rather than pointing out the obvious. It is not about my feelings , it is about peoplr using concepts as violence and " people are going to be people" to counter the ideea of stricter gun laws , I'm sorry that I can't see how this kind of things help .

"people are going to be people" would lead to MORE gun deaths. I had to train recruits out of bad habits they thought were "proper safety procedures". 

[Joods]

Last time you saw a LEO in armor? Carrying a missile launcher?

Are you insinuating that LEO's don't carry missile launchers?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Last time you saw a LEO in armor? Carrying a missile launcher?

Are you insinuating that LEO's don't carry missile launchers?

Oh, no, I saw one packin' a ICBM just the other day. 

[Shell B]

I tend not to like cities that aren't Boston.

[Edwardo Piet]

There's one solution to that!

Don't arm Law Enforcement either

Just like us useless Brits

Useless Brits with less shootings

They don't have guns because they rarely ever need them . The British police rely more on intel .

And the thing is.... we don't need them because the public don't have them much either!

Actually TBH, I could be wrong. Someone mentioned to me that Switzerland has lots of guns but almost no shootings.... which was a good point. So maybe it's America's love of guns that's the problem? The fact it's a big part of the culture and stuff... in a way that it isn't really in any other countries. Is probably not a coincidence.

[Joods]

Are you insinuating that LEO's don't carry missile launchers?

Oh, no, I saw one packin' a ICBM just the other day. 

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-r...d-hundreds

[Amarok]

They don't have guns because they rarely ever need them . The British police rely more on intel .

And the thing is.... we don't need them because the public don't have them much either!

Actually TBH, I could be wrong. Someone mentioned to me that Switzerland has lots of guns but almost no shootings.... which was a good point. So maybe it's America's love of guns that's the problem? The fact it's a big part of the culture and stuff... in a way that it isn't really in any other countries. Is probably not a coincidence.

Switzerland has strict regulations on guns . And they treat gun ownership as civil defense rather then personnel defense . Plus Switzerland has mandatory military service .

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Oh, no, I saw one packin' a ICBM just the other day. 

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-r...d-hundreds

So, a 40mm tear gas shell counts as a missile to you? Well, David chucked a "missile" at Goliath...

[Joods]

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-r...d-hundreds

So, a 40mm tear gas shell counts as a missile to you? Well, David chucked a "missile" at Goliath...

What about this....(bold mine)

Today the president made good on his campaign promise to the Fraternal Order of Police to rescind Executive Order 13688 and put thousands of bayonets and hundreds of grenade launchers from the U.S. military back in the hands of police. It also leaves law enforcement’s federally provided drones, explosives, and Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles .

.....seems insignificant to you? If you are implying that a grenade launcher is okay for LEO to have, then your attitude might be part of the problem of what's wrong with this country. I know how much you love your po po's, as seen in the Fucking Cops II thread, but let's be honest here. We already have a "well armed militia". They are called the Armed Services of the United States. The US Army Reserves are in every single state to help defend our country HERE, Locally. LEO's don't need to be carrying around such things. And it's nothing to make a joke of, really. 

Oh and FYI, the use of tear gas is prohibited by several international treaties, so really - tear gas is a lot more dangerous than you're trying to pass it off to be.

Trump just gave LEO's the freedom to act in the same manner as the military, when it wasn't necessary to do that for obvious reasons.

But I guess that's okay because fuck this country, right? 

Even with the interagency working group’s oversight since January 2015, we continue to see unwarranted police militarization post-Ferguson. Just look at law enforcement’s response at Standing Rock, where armored vehicles, automatic rifles, concussion grenades, sound cannons, and water cannons were used against peaceful protestors. Consider Baton Rouge, where those organizing around the fatal police shooting of Alton Sterling were met with militarization and excessive force. And we still have SWAT teams detonating flash-bang grenades near a 9-month-old when executing home searches for drugs. Do you remember Baby Bou Bou?

Many in law enforcement fail to see how military-grade weapons in America’s communities have negative consequences.