Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil

[John V]

Maybe he's digging up a link to the IOC's rationale for their T limits.

[GrandizerII]

[John V]

[GrandizerII]

[John V]

[GrandizerII]

[John V]

Transgendered women are still women. These rules apply to women with relatively high levels of testosterone compared to the average woman. And "intersex woman" isn't an oxymoron when "woman" is defined in the gender sense.

Presumably by your standards a transgender woman is a woman solely on declaration. Do you think such women should be able to compete as women, despite having done no hormone therapy toward transition?

[GrandizerII]

Transgendered women are still women. These rules apply to women with relatively high levels of testosterone compared to the average woman. And "intersex woman" isn't an oxymoron when "woman" is defined in the gender sense.

Presumably by your standards a transgender woman is a woman solely on declaration. Do you think such women should be able to compete as women, despite having done no hormone therapy toward transition?

As long as their testosterone levels are below the normal male range, then what's the problem?

[John V]

As long as their testosterone levels are below the normal male range, then what's the problem?

First, that's not what I asked. If a man declares that he's a woman, I presume that by your standards, she is at that moment. Should she be allowed to compete with women at that point? If not, why not?

Second, why would you define female as not male? Why not say that a trans woman must be within the female range, rather than outside the male range?

[The Grand Nudger]

Angling for some diversion about social outrage?  Meh.  I doubt that it matters much, particularly to some league or association, whether or not someone declares as male or female.  I declare as male and I still don't get to hop into the olympics-for-boy babys.  Them not accepting me doesn't make me less of a man, nor would it make any trans woman less of a woman.  

I just don't meet their criteria for admission. Cogent regulation will always exclude someone. What's the problem?