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RE: Perhaps none of us know the truth
March 8, 2018 at 5:28 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2018 at 5:28 pm by Lek.)
One of the reasons that I quit frequenting this forum is because I came to the conclusion that there is no objective scientific proof for the existence of God. It's a waste of time to try to argue someone into believing that there is a God or anything beyond our natural existence. How could a method that can only test natural existence prove the existence of a supernatural realm? I came to the point where I had to consider both possibilities equally, but I found that I was unable to "not believe" in a supernatural existence. It just made no sense to me. It appears that the universe is infinite and we have no idea of all that exists. We all have to make our own call no matter how may people are screaming in our ears.
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RE: Perhaps none of us know the truth
March 8, 2018 at 5:53 pm
Status quo unchanged then.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Perhaps none of us know the truth
March 8, 2018 at 6:34 pm
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Maybe the trouble isn't some imaginary limit of science to test your supernatural claims, Lek? Maybe, and I'm just spitballing here....the problem is that your favorite supernatural claims are complete bunk?
The reason that we don't believe in ghosts anymore isn't that we're unable to test ghost stories. It's because we can and have.
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RE: Perhaps none of us know the truth
March 8, 2018 at 6:43 pm
(March 8, 2018 at 6:34 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Maybe the trouble isn't some imaginary limit of science to test your supernatural claims, Lek? Maybe, and I'm just spitballing here....the problem is that your favorite supernatural claims are complete bunk?
The reason that we don't believe in ghosts anymore isn't that we're unable to test ghost stories. It's because we can and have.
What means did we use to test?
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RE: Perhaps none of us know the truth
March 8, 2018 at 6:44 pm
If I don't understand things or things go wrong, I fall back on my Catholic upbringing...
...I blame the Jews.
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RE: Perhaps none of us know the truth
March 8, 2018 at 8:09 pm
(March 8, 2018 at 5:28 pm)Lek Wrote: One of the reasons that I quit frequenting this forum is because I came to the conclusion that there is no objective scientific proof for the existence of God. It's a waste of time to try to argue someone into believing that there is a God or anything beyond our natural existence. How could a method that can only test natural existence prove the existence of a supernatural realm? I came to the point where I had to consider both possibilities equally, but I found that I was unable to "not believe" in a supernatural existence. It just made no sense to me. It appears that the universe is infinite and we have no idea of all that exists. We all have to make our own call no matter how may people are screaming in our ears.
That was actually well said, Lek. Too bad you came to the wrong conclusion. Some humans seem to have a crashing desire to over-complicate things. Most likely from the formation of the planet until between 200-300,000 ybp there was not a single living creature on earth with the remotest chance of even considering a question with that depth. Think of that. For 330,000,000 years from the late Devonian until sometime probably in the late Paleolithic no being on earth gave a rat's ass about any god.
Early man - like early wolves, cows, beavers, etc., worried about eating, sleeping, fucking and drinking. Somehow, they managed to survive without the supernatural realm that you have conjured up to suit your own needs.
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RE: Perhaps none of us know the truth
March 8, 2018 at 8:13 pm
(February 28, 2018 at 6:16 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: There is literally no evidence at all of an “afterlife”.
I believe in life after death. Unfortunately it won't include me.
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RE: Perhaps none of us know the truth
March 9, 2018 at 6:07 am
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If someone could even define what an "afterlife" is, in terms that make any sense at all, involving things that have actually been shown to exist, then at least there would be a debate. Right now it's just people telling magical stories, and there's no particular reason to take them seriously. Same goes for God, and other woo concepts.
Few people claim to know the truth about everything, and if they do, I agree they are misguided.
(Sure, anyone can say, "Maybe [any old nonsense]". Fine. We have a limited amount of time in our lives, so it makes sense to consider those claims which have some evidence behind them as a priority. Those that don't can wait until some has been provided. If no one can find any evidence, then it can't be much of a pressing issue.)
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RE: Perhaps none of us know the truth
March 9, 2018 at 10:07 pm
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2018 at 10:08 pm by Lek.)
Good to see that you're posting again Rob. I've been gone a long time and you were already absent for a good while before I dropped out. I don't believe in life after death as much as I believe that, as the universe is infinite, we also live infinitely.
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RE: Perhaps none of us know the truth
March 10, 2018 at 7:57 am
(March 8, 2018 at 6:44 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: If I don't understand things or things go wrong, I fall back on my Catholic upbringing...
...I blame the Jews.
When I get out of line (doesn't happen often) my secular Jewish wife isn't shy about saying, 'Mind how you go. Remember - my people took out Jesus.'
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