[split] AF Hall of Shame, various discussion including Denmark & bible contradiction

[Huggy Bear]

*emphasis mine*

That's where the 'godlike' power comes into play, man had creative power.

Jesus is God, yet Jesus is also referred to as the second Adam. Jesus is the example of what man was supposed to be in the beginning.

Did not Jesus feed 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread and two fish? How were bread and fish able to multiply?

Are you saying that the passage in Genesis "be fruitful and increase in number" really means increase the number of animals and plants?

I read it as they themselves were to be fruitful, they themselves were to bear fruits, aka reproduce. Am I wrong?

"be fruitful and increase in number" is God giving man creative authority.

God always intended for man to live on the earth, hence why it was made. Man was both male and female COMBINED, that shows that sex was not originally intended for reproduction.

Adam had the power to form people up from the dust as God originally made him, but after the fall, he lost that authority and therefore can only reproduce through sex, but because of sin we must die and return back to the dust.

Upon the second coming of Jesus Christ (the second Adam), he calls the dead (in Christ) up from the dust like Adam should have done in the beginning.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first - 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. - Isaiah 26:19

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. - Daniel 12:2

[downbeatplumb]

God always intended for man to live on the earth, hence why it was made. Man was both male and female COMBINED, that shows that sex was not originally intended for reproduction.

Then sex was just for having a good time all the time.
I suppose there was no TV back then .

[pocaracas]

Are you saying that the passage in Genesis "be fruitful and increase in number" really means increase the number of animals and plants?

I read it as they themselves were to be fruitful, they themselves were to bear fruits, aka reproduce. Am I wrong?

"be fruitful and increase in number" is God giving man creative authority.

God always intended for man to live on the earth, hence why it was made. Man was both male and female COMBINED, that shows that sex was not originally intended for reproduction.

Yes, we know that god's intentions are supposed to be timeless, eternal and all that stuff...
but
How do you mean both male and female combined?
""
27
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
""

That "male and female" in there means that they were combined, instead of separate like anyone reading that 5000 years ago would (I imagine) interpret?

Adam had the power to form people up from the dust as God originally made him, but after the fall, he lost that authority and therefore can only reproduce through sex, but because of sin we must die and return back to the dust.

Damn... that first bit I bolded is news to me.
Is that explicit in the book, or is it something you've arrived at through some reasoning?

Upon the second coming of Jesus Christ (the second Adam), he calls the dead (in Christ) up from the dust like Adam should have done in the beginning.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first - 1 Thessalonians 4:16

This comes much much later... let's not go there, shall we?

[Huggy Bear]

That makes sense...
But I took a look at the wiki and here's what came out.

"Rabbinic tradition ascribes the authorship of Job to Moses, but scholars generally agree that it was written between the 7th and 4th centuries BCE, with the 6th century BCE as the most likely period for various reasons."

"Tradition credits Moses as the author of Genesis, as well as Exodus, Book of Leviticus, Numbers and most of Book of Deuteronomy, but modern scholars increasingly see them as a product of the 6th and 5th centuries BC."

The two books could have been contemporary, if the tradition is right, and Job could be post-Genesis, if one looks at the later dates posited for their writing.

http://www.academia.edu/5613976/The_Book...l_Evidence

The Book of Job is the only one written in Old Hebrew among all the biblical scrolls found at Qumran, beside the books of Moses, and it is also the only one translated into  Aramaic before our common era (Targum of Job), beside the Book of Leviticus. According to the Talmud: Moses wrote his book and the section of Balaam and Job (Baba Bathra 15a) and as it is written: After this Job lived for 140 years, and he saw his children and his  grandchildren - 4 generations. Finally Job died, after a long and satisfying life (Job 42:16-17), Job must have lived at least 140 years before Moses wrote his book. As Job made the following request: If only my words were written down, if only they could be inscribed in a book (Job 19:23) and as seen the outcome Jehovah gave (Ja 5:11), it is likely that his request was granted. Consequently the Book of Job is the oldest book of the Bible.

*emphasis mine*

[Amarok]

Keep up the circus act huggy . Flip, Flop, Somersault ,Handstand , Leap through hoops , 



And your not even that talented at it . 

[Huggy Bear]

"be fruitful and increase in number" is God giving man creative authority.

God always intended for man to live on the earth, hence why it was made. Man was both male and female COMBINED, that shows that sex was not originally intended for reproduction.

Yes, we know that god's intentions are supposed to be timeless, eternal and all that stuff...
but
How do you mean both male and female combined?
""
27
So God created mankind in his own image,
   in the image of God he created them;
   male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
""

That "male and female" in there means that they were combined, instead of separate like anyone reading that 5000 years ago would (I imagine) interpret?

Genesis 5
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
*emphasis mine*

God clearly separated Eve from Adam, hence:

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. - Genesis 2:24

2 halves make a whole...

Adam had the power to form people up from the dust as God originally made him, but after the fall, he lost that authority and therefore can only reproduce through sex, but because of sin we must die and return back to the dust.

Damn... that first bit I bolded is news to me.
Is that explicit in the book, or is it something you've arrived at through some reasoning?

Like I said, Jesus is also referred to as the second Adam, all the power Jesus has Adam had, therefore it stands to reason if Jesus could form people up from the dust, so could Adam.

Upon the second coming of Jesus Christ (the second Adam), he calls the dead (in Christ) up from the dust like Adam should have done in the beginning.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first - 1 Thessalonians 4:16

This comes much much later... let's not go there, shall we?

Why should that matter? Your argument is that the bible has contradictions, is not Thessalonians part of the bible? Because last I look the bible was a compilation that includes both the Old AND New testaments.

Nevertheless if you go back and look, I did include scriptures from Daniel and Isaiah as well.

[Amarok]

[The Grand Nudger]

It seems as if a certain poster is determined to fill this thread with appropriate content.

[Huggy Bear]

It seems as if a certain poster is determined to fill this thread with appropriate content.

I wonder why I haven't included your famous post in this thread, I may just have to remedy that.


https://atheistforums.org/thread-21336-p...#pid759602

[robvalue]

What the fuck is going on here?

Wait, things happen that God doesn't intend to happen? How does that work? Even our rubbish ancestors were outwitting the stupid bastard.