Farm animals

[The Grand Nudger]

Think about this. Do we care less the farther down the evolutionary tree we go?

I think we care less the less likely it is that any of our methodologies will cause the animal some specific and extraneous suffering.  Gators...lol, fuckin gaters.  You could farm them in a bathtub if not for the lack of space.  Hookers don't give a shit.  They'll gladly seek out a kiddy pool and if it weren't for us running them off they'd set up shop in that bitch and live out their days.  

Arthropods are bugs that breath underwater.  Fish are about two degrees more prescient than paint. So, instead, we expend our efforts in animal welfare where they might actually produce some tangible benefit.

[rskovride]

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Think about this. Do we care less the farther down the evolutionary tree we go?

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What is that last picture that looks like crates in the water?

[LadyForCamus]

A little warning in the thread title would have been appreciated...

[brewer]

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Think about this. Do we care less the farther down the evolutionary tree we go?

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What is that last picture that looks like crates in the water?

Mollusk farming.

[Amarok]

Lets consider for a second 

1. What is the life expectancy and general quality of life of a wild animal compared to a farm animal 

2. What's the solution ?

[The Grand Nudger]

Lets consider for a second 

1. What is the life expectancy and general quality of life of a wild animal compared to a farm animal 

A few years give or take spent in pain from accumulated injury or illness before it succumbs to starvation or infection or gets eaten alive asshole first.

That's assuming it doesn't get exterminated on grounds of sheer inconvenience.

2. What's the solution ?

There isn't one, at least not for that.  That is, after all, the "natural state" we're supposed to be transgressing against with our heinous breeding and feeding and caring and sheltering and slaughtering and eating of animals. Why this isn't recognized as a "natural state" and mutually beneficial to both involved species completely escapes me. Even more strangely....suppose that some animal actually "prefers" the state of things on a farm, or satisfies these conditions of it expressing what it is to be x and having a generally pleasant life? We prefer our cities to caves..after all. Then what?

[Chad32]

I imagine that life expectancy is higher, but quality of life is likely lower for farm animals. The solution being let them be as free as possible, while still keeping tabs on them and harvesting them when the time comes. Nobody wants to live their life in a cage.

[The Grand Nudger]

I imagine that life expectancy is higher, but quality of life is likely lower for farm animals.

The QOL of an animal untreated for infections and broken limbs, scrounging a shrinking forest floor for whatever is left of food, hoping like hell to dodge every living thing that wants them dead?

The solution being let them be as free as possible, while still keeping tabs on them and harvesting them when the time comes. Nobody wants to live their life in a cage.

That's what the Bundys do with their cattle........

In any case, the notion that no one wants to live their life in a cage is betrayed by many of our posters...and if we're using it we'd better be certain that the animals in question would actually prefer to live in the wild. Otherwise we're just talking about cages of varying sizes.

[Amarok]

I imagine that life expectancy is higher, but quality of life is likely lower for farm animals. The solution being let them be as free as possible, while still keeping tabs on them and harvesting them when the time comes. Nobody wants to live their life in a cage.

Really the quality is higher ?

So factoring dieses, starvation, and the harness of exposure . Being in a cage for a pig is worst ?

As for setting them free they would become a plague on the local ecosystem thus causing more suffering .

[Chad32]

I imagine that life expectancy is higher, but quality of life is likely lower for farm animals.

The QOL of an animal untreated for infections and broken limbs, scrounging a shrinking forest floor for whatever is left of food, hoping like hell to dodge every living thing that wants them dead?  

The solution being let them be as free as possible, while still keeping tabs on them and harvesting them when the time comes. Nobody wants to live their life in a cage.

That's what the Bundys do with their cattle........

In any case, the notion that no one wants to live their life in a cage is betrayed by many of our posters...and if we're using it we'd better be certain that the animals in question would actually prefer to live in the wild.  Otherwise we're just talking about cages of varying sizes.

That's not every day in the life of an animal that gets to roam a large territory, and climb and dig everywhere they want. There are downsides to every life, but at least a wild animal doesn't spend its life in a cramped cage, being unable to roam far, until it's eaten.

Not that every farm animal is kept like that, but I do think an animal is generally happier when it can roam and dig and climb and stuff. We can find pictures of miserable mangy wild animals just as easily as miserable farm animals, but in general the wild animal has really lived.

And we're not going to talk about diseases without mentioning stuff like mad cow disease, where farmers mixed in cow meat and other products into the food, which made the cows turn on each other. Farm animals aren't always disease free, and while they typically get food every day, it isn't always what's really healthiest for them.

Of course I'm also aware that certain species have been domesticated to the point where they can't live in the wild, so I'm not saying let all the cows loose in the woods, but I do believe the quality of life for a cape buffalo is in general better than the qol of a farm cow.