Farm animals

[Shell B]

That's the plan. It'd be pricier, but we'd get our meat delivered to our door from farms we could personally visit if we were so inclined. The packages don't contain a shitload of meat, so it would keep our consumption low, though our consumption is largely chicken and fish at the moment. Now, if I could find the time to go to the fish market once a week, I'd be set.

[The Grand Nudger]

Fun fact...you'd need a 900 gallon tank under constant production to grow enough tilapia to completely satisfy you and tibs dietary protein requirements.

[Shell B]

Fun fact . . . Tibs would never eat any of it.

The fish markets here are all local fishermen, not farmers, so I'm cool with eating the fishies.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, shit...you could get away with a 450 gallon tank..then.  That's smaller than the average walmart pool. 

I miss the coast, though.  Saltwater fish=best fish. No good for the fish, at present. Farmed fish will probably be the only fish available at some point. If it takes me 50 years...I;m getting in front of that train.

Leave it to my kids to cash in (or out, more likely).

[Shell B]

For right now, we're looking pretty good up here. There are limits, and the CG are very strict. People around here abide. There's nothing like a tuna straight out of the ocean that you don't have to cook all the way through to know it's safe.

[The Grand Nudger]

For sure.  Heres a (semi-related) regret I have about moving to KY, and life in general.  My kids will never stand on a sandbank five miles out and harvest scallops by hand.  Or chip oysters off a bed and eat them on the airboat.   We moved..but even if we moved back...that shits been destroyed. They;ll never get to drag a net with me, like I did with my dad..for tiger shrimp and tank scenery on the shifting bottom off MacDill, or lift rocks for crab at low tide on Paradise Shoal.

LOL, my fucking brother and I spearfished grouper on free dives at Treasure Island. They'll never get to do that or say that. They piled the pass..it's a BubbaGump restaurant now. WTF, right? They get pool nets and steel banded plywood tanks.

[chimp3]

I say raise animals humanely in settings where they feel safe. Kill them quickly so they feel little or no pain. A good life with only one bad day. That is more humane than being vexed by lions their entire life until one day the lions are eating their intestines while they are still alive.

[The Grand Nudger]

The lions are pretty nasty...and we might also want to keep in mind that every undomesticated species on earth is in competition with something even worse and more brutal than any lion.   Us.

[purplepurpose]

I say raise animals humanely in settings where they feel safe. Kill them quickly so they feel little or no pain. A good life with only one bad day. That is more humane than being vexed by lions their entire life until one day the lions are eating their intestines while they are still alive.

Lol. Aliens: I say raise humans humanely in settings where they feel safe. Kill them quickly so they feel little or no pain. A good life with only one bad day. That is more humane than being vexed by mortgage, depression, constant fears their entire life until one day they die from fast food caused stroke.

[The Grand Nudger]

The welfare argument that some people think is so compelling it should turn us all into vegans wouldn't be enough to keep aliens from farming us.  No surprise there.  It's a weak objection before we cast people as cattle.  

If animal welfare were the reason not to farm animals and animals were uniformly kept in a deplorable state than we would have a reason not to farm them.  Most people are willing to at least consider this as one of the reasons or circumstances that would provide a valid objection - and we've written animal welfare into our laws.  Some, however..are not comfortable with the converse implication of the statement.  That..if animals are -not- kept in deplorable conditions..or are, in point of fact, qualitatively elevated...then we do not have a good reason, on basis of welfare, not to farm them.

Chances are, people have other reasons™ for objecting to livestock. The reason above is an easy rationalization that has the added bonus of sometimes being true....but few people would extend it's consequences to their logical limits and incluide ourselves in the list of domestic candidate species. Though..I suppose..we could assert that, like cape buffalo, human beings aren't particularly disposed to domestication.

Fun with the idea. If there were an alien species that could provide for us in ways that we couldn't, it might also stand to reason that they could do so in a minimally intrusive way that left us completely unaware of our station in life.  We can do as much for cattle...but I suspect there would be alot more work involved in achieving the same for us. We'd have to be awfully valuable, to warrant such generous conditions. Personally, I;d expect extermination in the face of such a species. We put livestock on comparatively meager land. We reserve the best plots for more profitable or productive use. The earth would have to qualify as one of the "best plots" in the solar system..at least. If they were good at their jobs, they'd tin can us. Or, maybe an alien species that could get here and farm us wouldn't waste their time. They'd do what we do. Clearcut the vegetation. Exterminate the native wildlife. Install paddocks for their own domesticates. Establish non native and intrusive pasture from nutrient rich cultivars. Any use they'd have for us would be as a waste byproduct of pest removal, but they might not go out of their way if we aren't in their pantry like mice..so to speak.