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RE: The Rights disdain of Hillary, where does it come from?
March 17, 2018 at 9:38 am
(March 16, 2018 at 11:43 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (March 16, 2018 at 1:33 pm)Chad32 Wrote: No, she wasn't. He talks about better healthcare and education, she talks about "pokemon go to the polls". When he loses, he goes to town halls. When she loses, she runs off into the woods. There's a big difference between them. He's currently the most popular politician in the country, and people still like trump oer Hillary. And it has to do with more than what's between their legs.
You argue that she wasn't close to Bernie Sanders in terms of policies, and yet you did nothing but rant about how much of a failure/disappointment she is in your eyes. You didn't actually refute what I said.
She was a corporate globalist hawk. He was a populist and isolationist-y.
She feigned some Bernie positions after he posed a threat, but I think most people wrote it off as politically calculated.
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RE: The Rights disdain of Hillary, where does it come from?
March 17, 2018 at 11:08 am
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(March 17, 2018 at 9:36 am)Chad32 Wrote: Because I was paying enough attention in 2016 to know that statement makes no sense. Their policies weren't close. Bernie was far less known, yet exploded in popularity, while Hillary barely managed to win a rigged election. The best you could say is Bernie managed to drag her towards the left.
And I also paid enough attention in 2016 to see how much your bias here is speaking. Hillary was pretty close to Bernie Sanders in terms of heaps of policies that the modern Republican politicians themselves do not generally espouse, such as policies to do with immigration, women's health, health care access, gun control, and even campaign finance. Just because they didn't see eye to eye on everything, and just because she isn't good at presenting herself as the people's leader, doesn't mean she was a Republican in disguise. She was overall on the left, it's just that Bernie was even farther to the left of the political spectrum on some of the political issues. And while he may have dragged her a little closer to his side, she has pretty much been on the left side of the spectrum from before 2016.
It's also a stretch to say that she barely won the primary election. She won, fair and square, and she would've most probably still won, even if there were no superdelegates.
(March 17, 2018 at 9:38 am)wallym Wrote: (March 16, 2018 at 11:43 pm)Grandizer Wrote: You argue that she wasn't close to Bernie Sanders in terms of policies, and yet you did nothing but rant about how much of a failure/disappointment she is in your eyes. You didn't actually refute what I said.
She was a corporate globalist hawk. He was a populist and isolationist-y.
Still closer to Bernie than to the Republicans.
Quote:She feigned some Bernie positions after he posed a threat, but I think most people wrote it off as politically calculated.
Debatable, but I'm happy to grant that a few positions were adjusted by her because of Bernie's "threat". Still doesn't refute my argument. See previous reply.
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RE: The Rights disdain of Hillary, where does it come from?
March 17, 2018 at 11:27 am
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No, she didn't win fair and square. That's been proven. Besides, everyone having access to healthcare is not the same as everyone having healthcare. We want them to just have it. Not have access, if they have enough money for it.
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RE: The Rights disdain of Hillary, where does it come from?
March 17, 2018 at 11:31 am
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It;s interesting that people think that...either way, really.
Heres the Cnn headline
Quote:Donna Brazile: I found no evidence Democratic primary was rigged ...
..and...fox
Quote:Donna Brazile: I found 'proof' the DNC rigged the nomination for ...
Something is awry, lol. They're the same story, same google search, one written on the 3 one on the 5.
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RE: The Rights disdain of Hillary, where does it come from?
March 17, 2018 at 11:32 am
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(March 17, 2018 at 11:27 am)Chad32 Wrote: No, she didn't win fair and square. That's been proven.
Make your case then. How did she not win fair and square? Because superdelegates were disproportionately for her from the beginning?
(March 17, 2018 at 11:27 am)Chad32 Wrote: Besides, everyone having access to healthcare is not the same as everyone having healthcare. We want them to just have it. Not have access, if they have enough money for it.
She was in support for Obamacare, and wouldn't have minded a successful implementation of free universal single-payer health care for all (she even fought for that in the past before 2016). I can't say the same about the Republican candidates who ran for presidency last time.
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RE: The Rights disdain of Hillary, where does it come from?
March 17, 2018 at 12:05 pm
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RE: The Rights disdain of Hillary, where does it come from?
March 17, 2018 at 12:27 pm
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(March 17, 2018 at 11:32 am)Grandizer Wrote: (March 17, 2018 at 11:27 am)Chad32 Wrote: No, she didn't win fair and square. That's been proven.
Make your case then. How did she not win fair and square? Because superdelegates were disproportionately for her from the beginning?
(March 17, 2018 at 11:27 am)Chad32 Wrote: Besides, everyone having access to healthcare is not the same as everyone having healthcare. We want them to just have it. Not have access, if they have enough money for it.
She was in support for Obamacare, and wouldn't have minded a successful implementation of free universal single-payer health care for all (she even fought for that in the past before 2016). I can't say the same about the Republican candidates who ran for presidency last time.
Before she got elected, she was already put in charge of finance, staffing, and other things in the DNC. She was running the DNC while she was campaigning for the presidency. There's no way there wasn't bias there in her favor.
She was the status quo candidate, and defended obamacare. The problem is that obamacare didn't go far enough. Besides the fact that it was originally a republican idea anyway that Obama was going off of.
Every time Hillary runs, she loses to the guy who runs on changing the system. It's happened too many times now to be a coincidence.
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RE: The Rights disdain of Hillary, where does it come from?
March 17, 2018 at 12:43 pm
(March 17, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Before she got elected, she was already put in charge of finance, staffing, and other things in the DNC. She was running the DNC while she was campaigning for the presidency. There's no way there wasn't bias there in her favor.
Words matter, so I hope you're being as accurate as you can get here, because now I want to challenge you to provide a source that lends credence to the claims you're making here, exactly as they are intended to mean.
Quote:She was the status quo candidate, and defended obamacare. The problem is that obamacare didn't go far enough. Besides the fact that it was originally a republican idea anyway that Obama was going off of.
What is wrong with defending Obamacare until universal single-payer health care has been implemented in the USA? Even Bernie Sanders has defended Obamacare while fighting for single-payer health care for all. And Republican politicians don't like Obamacare.
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RE: The Rights disdain of Hillary, where does it come from?
March 17, 2018 at 4:02 pm
That's all in Donna Brazile's book. Where were you when this was all over the news for days on end?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...016-215774
The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.
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RE: The Rights disdain of Hillary, where does it come from?
March 17, 2018 at 4:14 pm
Time spent pushing for obamacare is time spent not pushing for single payer. That's what's wrong. And yeah, where have you been that you don't know Hillary had control over the DNC? It should be common knowledge by now.
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