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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 3:41 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 3:36 pm)chimp3 Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 3:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: So humanist doesn't simply mean valueing human life? No! It is a world view that we can formulate ethics, morality, solutions to problems without gods. Valuing human life is certainly a major focus.
Ok. So I guess believing in God would automatically disqualify me then. I do think a non believer can formulate ethics/morality without belief in God, because of natural law. But I still ultimately think those exist because God exists.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 3:43 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 3:36 pm)chimp3 Wrote: No! It is a world view that we can formulate ethics, morality, solutions to problems without gods. Valuing human life is certainly a major focus.
Ok. So I guess believing in God would automatically disqualify me then. I do think a non believer can formulate ethics/morality without belief in God, because of natural law. But I still ultimately think those exist because God exists. Believers can still participate in secular programs. Francis Collins was the director of the Human Genome Project and a fundamentalist Christian.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 3:44 pm
I don't believe in natural law as it's explained today in Academia. *has urge to talk about....*
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 3:54 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 3:43 pm)chimp3 Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ok. So I guess believing in God would automatically disqualify me then. I do think a non believer can formulate ethics/morality without belief in God, because of natural law. But I still ultimately think those exist because God exists. Believers can still participate in secular programs. Francis Collins was the director of the Human Genome Project and a fundamentalist Christian.
What does the Human Genome project have to do with secularism? Isn't that just studying and mapping out genetics?
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 3:56 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 3:44 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't believe in natural law as it's explained today in Academia. *has urge to talk about....*
*breathes*
*relaxes* Natural law is not something I stress over. If I overeat I will get fat. If I jump off a tall building, I will not fly. As far as ethics and morals, political solutions to problems, we only have what we can convince each other of through civil discourse.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 3:57 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 3:00 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Can I be considered humanist while being a person of faith? Or is that term only for non believers?
Yes, you can definitely be a humanist theist, my favourite 'kind'.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 3:59 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 3:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 3:43 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Believers can still participate in secular programs. Francis Collins was the director of the Human Genome Project and a fundamentalist Christian.
What does the Human Genome project have to do with secularism? Isn't that just studying and mapping out genetics? Yes! That qualifies. Science is an approach to knowledge that only takes into consideration what exists in physical reality. A major facet of secular humanism.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 4:04 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 3:56 pm)chimp3 Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 3:44 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't believe in natural law as it's explained today in Academia. *has urge to talk about....*
*breathes*
*relaxes* Natural law is not something I stress over. If I overeat I will get fat. If I jump off a tall building, I will not fly. As far as ethics and morals, political solutions to problems, we only have what we can convince each other of through civil discourse.
The problem is moral consequences are hidden often, and we don't realize them and we see the bad results as psychological level, social level, and even world level, but we just don't realize the things causing all this, and what actions we don't forbid but destroy us and what actions we encourage but don't help us much and even do the opposite.
And you are right when you say it's only through civil discourse (as in an ingredient among ingredients we need), we can reach it.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 4:08 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 4:04 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 3:56 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Natural law is not something I stress over. If I overeat I will get fat. If I jump off a tall building, I will not fly. As far as ethics and morals, political solutions to problems, we only have what we can convince each other of through civil discourse.
The problem is moral consequences are hidden often, and we don't realize them and we see the bad results as psychological level, social level, and even world level, but we just don't realize the things causing all this, and what actions we don't forbid but destroy us and what actions we encourage but don't help us much and even do the opposite.
And you are right when you say it's only through civil discourse (as in an ingredient among ingredients we need), we can reach it. We have made progress. Life is learning. We have to learn from our mistakes and advocate for improvements.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 4:10 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 4:08 pm)chimp3 Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 4:04 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The problem is moral consequences are hidden often, and we don't realize them and we see the bad results as psychological level, social level, and even world level, but we just don't realize the things causing all this, and what actions we don't forbid but destroy us and what actions we encourage but don't help us much and even do the opposite.
And you are right when you say it's only through civil discourse (as in an ingredient among ingredients we need), we can reach it. We have made progress. Life is learning. We have to learn from our mistakes and advocate for improvements.
Agreed. But we have to learn real fast before the world agrees on world government and we hand the world to people who will ensue more chaos than order, more injustice then justice.
And I fear we are lazy and taking this too lightly. I wish we all urge each other on this dialogue to learn thoroughly this issue and participate in it.
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