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RE: Stem cell therapy with MS
March 21, 2018 at 8:26 pm
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(March 21, 2018 at 6:37 pm)Hammy Wrote: So you're not a fan of taking stem cells from embryos?
No, because it destroys them.
(March 21, 2018 at 7:22 pm)Shell B Wrote: My neurologist thinks I have this horrible condition called trigeminal neuralgia. I'm hoping the MRI says otherwise. Anyway, I talked to another woman who has it, and she had stem cell treatment done in Australia for it. It worked. I have no idea how. Most people who have it have a blood vessel interfering with the main nerve in the face. She must have had some other factor going on. Stem cells are totally the good shit.
Wow Shell, that sounds super stressful. 
Keep us updated if you feel up to it. I'll be hoping for the best for you. Hopefully it's nothing.
(March 21, 2018 at 6:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You're about 10 years behind the times, C/L. In the past, stem cells were extracted from "leftover embryos" from people who underwent fertility treatments. Such transfer was always done with the consent of the donors. Far from being young human beings these were embryos that no one had any further use for and which would have been discarded.
Now stem cells are extracted from the hosts themselves. The primary benefit is that since the cells are part of the body the odds of rejection are substantially reduced. As I noted above, we did this with a dog and no puppies were harmed in the process.
Yeah, I know they aren't used anymore but figured that's what Ham meant when he asked if I was against stem cell research.
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RE: Stem cell therapy with MS
March 21, 2018 at 8:43 pm
Thanks, CL! So far, my case is relatively mild compared to what some people go through. I hear it’s progressive, though, so I’m not thrilled.
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RE: Stem cell therapy with MS
March 21, 2018 at 8:45 pm
(March 21, 2018 at 7:22 pm)Shell B Wrote: My neurologist thinks I have this horrible condition called trigeminal neuralgia. I'm hoping the MRI says otherwise. Anyway, I talked to another woman who has it, and she had stem cell treatment done in Australia for it. It worked. I have no idea how. Most people who have it have a blood vessel interfering with the main nerve in the face. She must have had some other factor going on. Stem cells are totally the good shit.
Good luck Shell. I hope the MRI results are a relief.
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RE: Stem cell therapy with MS
March 21, 2018 at 8:57 pm
Quote:Yeah, I know they aren't used anymore but figured that's what Ham meant when he asked if I was against stem cell research.
See, I did not think that at all. If the church says something is bad I'm not sure if you are the type of catholic who simply salutes and says, "yessir!!!"
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RE: Stem cell therapy with MS
March 21, 2018 at 9:15 pm
(March 21, 2018 at 8:57 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Yeah, I know they aren't used anymore but figured that's what Ham meant when he asked if I was against stem cell research.
See, I did not think that at all. If the church says something is bad I'm not sure if you are the type of catholic who simply salutes and says, "yessir!!!"
Right. It makes logical sense to me from a humanistic standpoint as well, that embryonic stem cell usage wouldn't be ethical. Luckily, it is no longer used.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Stem cell therapy with MS
March 21, 2018 at 9:30 pm
(March 21, 2018 at 9:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (March 21, 2018 at 8:57 pm)Minimalist Wrote: See, I did not think that at all. If the church says something is bad I'm not sure if you are the type of catholic who simply salutes and says, "yessir!!!"
Right. It makes logical sense to me from a humanistic standpoint as well, that embryonic stem cell usage wouldn't be ethical. Luckily, it is no longer used.
It was useful at the time before advancements were made though. Many children's lives were saved by embryos, was that not a good thing at the time before it became obsolete? Better than letting dying children die, right?
I mean, I don't think there's anything immoral about taking stem cells from embryos because I don't even think embryos are conscious. But even if I did why would I not think a dead conscious embryo is a lesser evil than a dead conscious child?
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RE: Stem cell therapy with MS
March 21, 2018 at 9:32 pm
(March 21, 2018 at 8:45 pm)Hammy Wrote: (March 21, 2018 at 7:22 pm)Shell B Wrote: My neurologist thinks I have this horrible condition called trigeminal neuralgia. I'm hoping the MRI says otherwise. Anyway, I talked to another woman who has it, and she had stem cell treatment done in Australia for it. It worked. I have no idea how. Most people who have it have a blood vessel interfering with the main nerve in the face. She must have had some other factor going on. Stem cells are totally the good shit.
Good luck Shell. I hope the MRI results are a relief.
Thanks! Me too!
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RE: Stem cell therapy with MS
March 21, 2018 at 9:47 pm
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You're welcome.
I'm getting results for something tomorrow. Nothing medical though, I'm getting the results for my autism assessments (I've had 2 already, and my mom has had one with them to discuss my childhood)... I told a few people and I said it on open forum at least once, I think. Or maybe I forget and I just told a few people in private.
I know I mentioned that I was having it soon but I can't remember if I mentioned the date.
Actually technically it's today here as it's already 1:45 A.M. on the 22nd here.
I have no clue whether I'll get diagnosed or not but I've been told I'll get a lot of support regardless of results so I get the impression that I'm either autistic or borderline autistic.
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RE: Stem cell therapy with MS
March 21, 2018 at 10:06 pm
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(March 21, 2018 at 9:30 pm)Hammy Wrote: (March 21, 2018 at 9:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Right. It makes logical sense to me from a humanistic standpoint as well, that embryonic stem cell usage wouldn't be ethical. Luckily, it is no longer used.
It was useful at the time before advancements were made though. Many children's lives were saved by embryos, was that not a good thing at the time before it became obsolete? Better than letting dying children die, right?
I mean, I don't think there's anything immoral about taking stem cells from embryos because I don't even think embryos are conscious. But even if I did why would I not think a dead conscious embryo is a lesser evil than a dead conscious child?
No, I don't think killing one innocent life to potentially help another down the road is an ethical solution.
(March 21, 2018 at 9:47 pm)Hammy Wrote: You're welcome.
I'm getting results for something tomorrow. Nothing medical though, I'm getting the results for my autism assessments (I've had 2 already, and my mom has had one with them to discuss my childhood)... I told a few people and I said it on open forum at least once, I think. Or maybe I forget and I just told a few people in private.
I know I mentioned that I was having it soon but I can't remember if I mentioned the date.
Actually technically it's today here as it's already 1:45 A.M. on the 22nd here.
I have no clue whether I'll get diagnosed or not but I've been told I'll get a lot of support regardless of results so I get the impression that I'm either autistic or borderline autistic.
Did you have delayed speech in your childhood?
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RE: Stem cell therapy with MS
March 21, 2018 at 10:17 pm
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(March 21, 2018 at 10:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Did you have delayed speech in your childhood?
Not to my knowledge. Probably the opposite. I was rather advanced from a young age in general. I was running around the living room at 9 months.
But if I have autism it's high functioning anyhow, which is often average or above average verbal social skills... but lower than average in other forms of social skills. Non-verbal stuff.
I'm fine with words lol. My mind's eye is almost completely blind though. I don't think in pictures at all. No matter how much I want to! (which makes certain aspects of my life rather frustrating to say the least...). I'm all sound and words lol.
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