Jesus : The Early years

[vorlon13]

Didn't ANYBODY proof read the damn thing ??

[chimp3]

I have read the gospels and I was not impressed. Especially this story. A pregnant teenage girl in iron age Palestine states she is a virgin and is pregnant with god's son. Come on now! If a teenage girl said that today, only the most gullible would believe it. Why should any one believe this now?

 really you have read the Gospels, you gave no sign of that in your previous post. In the days of Jesus and even before women married as teenagers. Most parents were poor and a girl was a burden financially and were used to gain financially from the groom, so you see teenage girls were marrying men usually in their twenties. These girls were much more mature than the silly girls of today, they worked from the time they were small till the time they left home. Why would Mary lie about this and how could she have known Jesus would have been such a force in that day if she was concocting a lie.

GC

First , I do not believe Jesus or Mary were anything but myths. Second, hmm, an unmarried pregnant teenage girl in iron age Palestine best come up with a story fast. Lest the godly people crush her young body with a hail of stones.

[chimp3]

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Then why  the schisms, tortures, murders, wars, sectarianism, if it reads plain and simple?

The verses say nothing about any of those things, where is your brain.

GC

My brain is focused on a legacy of schisms and sectarianism. My brain does not read a plain and simple bible. My brain does not want to be like your brain GC.

[Drich]

John...

Because i've read the bible and on the cross Jesus asked John to care for his mother. IDK if there was an official Barbra Walters type interview but the idea that John cared for marry for the rest of her life leaves alot of time for them to talk about all the crazy stuff little Jesus did.

The Koran is true because the Koran says so.

Buddha said so Buddha is right.

Isn't that amazing how suddenly that doesn't work for you?

Get in line, take a number.

There is truth in the Koran, it is stupid to throw out the whole koran just because it is the koran. That is what is wrong with you guys, you do not know or how to sift or discern fact or even probable fact from fiction. to you it is all or nothing. how closed minded is that?

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John...

Because i've read the bible and on the cross Jesus asked John to care for his mother. IDK if there was an official Barbra Walters type interview but the idea that John cared for marry for the rest of her life leaves alot of time for them to talk about all the crazy stuff little Jesus did.

You'd think a loving God with omnipotence would have found some way to take care of his own mother whom he had knocked up, and not had to dump her care on someone else.

What are you retarded?

He did in Giving Her care over to John.

God is the God of the NATURAL world. What makes you guys think God can only move supernaturally.

[Abaddon_ire]

Well, we currently have you claiming that only you are correct. Fine. I have no reason to accept that.

We have others claiming that allah is the only way.

We have others claiming some rather strangeness.

What makes your claim better? To me it is simply another woo claim among many others.  what exactly makes your claim special? What evidence have you to show for it that should convince me? So far, you seem to have not a damn thing, but I am willing to board whatever you have to offer for your arbitrarily chosen deity as opposed to any of the others competing so long as you can show that your deity exist. Perhaps you will be the first to do so. Nobody ever has before.

What I have presented has been accepted for 2000 years,

False.

none of it has ever been disproved

False.

nor will it because if it can't be for 2000 years there's no hope it will now.

False

As for allah he was imagined 600 years after Jesus.

Mithras predated jebus.  Had you a point?

God has not asked me nor any other Christian to prove Him,

Sorry, bible says you are wrong.

not even the Bible tries to prove God,

Wrong.

you want proof you will need to get it like I did, from God himself.

GC

Lie.

We know that the books that were included also contain falsehoods.

You claim that we know the books in the bible contain falsehoodsWe also know that the books I mentioned were accepted as valid for centuries and that they predate the books you accept. If you reject the two books I mentioned then you must apply the same criteria to the other gospels.

 No I don't. Those books are not accepted [/quote]Not accepted by whom? RCC? Council of Nicea? You? Some pastor you like?

and as far as predating anything I've never seen proof of it and even if they were that doesn't qualify them as reliable and true.

Amusing. As an atheist, it seems I know more than you about your "holey babble".

All of the Bible is true and has never been disproved,

No, that is absolutely false. The bible account has been demonstrated to be made from whole cloth.

if you have information it's false then you need to present it since no one else here has in all the time I've been here.

Hatloads of the claimed events in the bible never happened. I have no idea which you want to start with. How about the fact that both Gen:1 and Gen: 2 cannot agree? Or the endless NT begats cannot agree in the NT? Or Moses and the exodus was not recorded by Moses but never happened?

Great scholars put together the Bible from all the manuscripts of 2000 years past and many scholars have proved it reliable since. The 2000 years I use is a general time line to keep from looking up precise dates.

False. Religious cranks have claimed it's accuracy, but they are always trivially proven wrong. For example, are bats birds or mammals? Do insects have 4 or 6 legs? And so on. The bible gets so much comprehensively wrong it is funny.

Who do you think Gabriel was sent to, hint, Mary and who do you think Elizabeth was, hint, Mary's aunt. Come on man surely you can do better than this, read all the gospel first.

Read it. It is quite obvious that "mary" was simply making up any darn thing to avoid being stoned to death.

Dude, my first post in this thread quotes this passage. And no, it doesn't say what you claim it says. You're making shit up. Admit it.

 I can't help you deny the truth even when you post it. I making nothing up it is what it is and you can't change it.

Who cares? You are denying what the holey babble actually says.

You can't prove what I said is wrong or you would have, all you know to do is run your mouth so that you can disguise the lack of Biblical knowledge you have a trick I've seen here many, many times. 

Amusingly, atheists as a rule actually have read the bible and you appear to have not done so.

[vorlon13]

Is this Heresy Monday ?

I can change the header . . .

[Minimalist]

Poor Dripshit.  Facts are not his friends.

Only in Justin Martyr, writing in the 150s, do we find the first identifiable quotations from some
of the Gospels, though he calls them simply "memoirs of the Apostles," with no names. And
those quotations usually do not agree with the texts of the canonical versions we now have,
showing that such documents were still undergoing evolution and revision. Scholars such as
Helmut Koester have concluded that earlier "allusions" to Gospel-like material are likely floating
traditions which themselves found their way into the written Gospels. (See Koester's Ancient
Christian Gospels and his earlier Synoptische Uberlieferung bei den apostolischen Vatern.) Is it
conceivable that the earliest account of Jesus' life and death could have been committed to
writing as early as 70 (or even earlier, as some would like to have it), and yet the broader
Christian world took almost a century to receive copies of it?

Earl Doherty - The Jesus Puzzle   52

[chimp3]

God is the God of the NATURAL world. What makes you guys think God can only move supernaturally.

I don't think a god moves at all. No such thing exists.

[Godscreated]

What I have presented has been accepted for 2000 years,

False.

Just false, where's the proof.

none of it has ever been disproved

False.

Just false where's the proof.

nor will it because if it can't be for 2000 years there's no hope it will now.

False

Just false, where's the proof.

As for allah he was imagined 600 years after Jesus.

Mithras predated jebus.  Had you a point?

Worshiping a moon God, the Koran was put together 600 years after Jesus. You really do not know how to respect another's belief.

God has not asked me nor any other Christian to prove Him,

Sorry, bible says you are wrong.

Nope it does not, if you are so certain show me the verse.

not even the Bible tries to prove God,

Wrong.

Just wrong, where's the proof, if you are so certain show me the verses.

you want proof you will need to get it like I did, from God himself.

GC

Lie.

You think I'm a liar, prove it.


You claim that we know the books in the bible contain falsehoods. We also know that the books I mentioned were accepted as valid for centuries and that they predate the books you accept. If you reject the two books I mentioned then you must apply the same criteria to the other gospels.

 No I don't. Those books are not accepted [/quote]

Not accepted by whom? RCC? Council of Nicea? You? Some pastor you like?

By the Protestant Christian Church which I'm a part of. 

and as far as predating anything I've never seen proof of it and even if they were that doesn't qualify them as reliable and true.

Amusing. As an atheist, it seems I know more than you about your "holey babble".

You may know more about that book, I've never heard of it. As for the Bible you know nothing, period. You are trying to discredit something you know nothing about, makes you nothing more than a pouting child.

All of the Bible is true and has never been disproved,

No, that is absolutely false. The bible account has been demonstrated to be made from whole cloth.

The Bible is the written word of God a tapestry without a missing thread.

if you have information it's false then you need to present it since no one else here has in all the time I've been here.

Hatloads of the claimed events in the bible never happened. I have no idea which you want to start with. How about the fact that both Gen:1 and Gen: 2 cannot agree? Or the endless NT begats cannot agree in the NT? Or Moses and the exodus was not recorded by Moses but never happened?

Empty that hat on the pages of this forum. The two agree completely, I can't help you are illiterate and can't understand them. They tell the same story one has more detail than the other. They are the same family line through different people that go back to David and if you were the great biblical scholar you want to believe you are you would have known this. Prove it wasn't recorded by Moses and prove it never happened. Many places in the Middle East were thought to be non-existent that were record in the Bible and low and behold we've found many of them.

Great scholars put together the Bible from all the manuscripts of 2000 years past and many scholars have proved it reliable since. The 2000 years I use is a general time line to keep from looking up precise dates.

False. Religious cranks have claimed it's accuracy, but they are always trivially proven wrong. For example, are bats birds or mammals? Do insects have 4 or 6 legs? And so on. The bible gets so much comprehensively wrong it is funny.

Again with this false thing, you sound like a broken record. Cranks that's funny these people have studied for many years and you cruise the net believing you've acquired enough knowledge to call them cranks. You are little more than a loud mouth. You need to show what your speaking of generalization want get it. 

Who do you think Gabriel was sent to, hint, Mary and who do you think Elizabeth was, hint, Mary's aunt. Come on man surely you can do better than this, read all the gospel first.

Read it. It is quite obvious that "mary" was simply making up any darn thing to avoid being stoned to death.

Prove what you read, I've read it many times and Mary is telling the truth and you're mad because you can not disprove it.

 I can't help you deny the truth even when you post it. I making nothing up it is what it is and you can't change it.

Who cares? You are denying what the holey babble actually says.

Here you go again with your baby speak, can't spell Bible any better than you can say it. I accept what the Bible says as truth so why would I deny it. It's not my fault you can't see the truth it contains. One day you will wished you had though.

You can't prove what I said is wrong or you would have, all you know to do is run your mouth so that you can disguise the lack of Biblical knowledge you have a trick I've seen here many, many times.

Amusingly, atheist as a rule actually have read the bible and you appear to have not done so. 

 Really, I have six different Bibles why would I own them if I didn't read then. My study of the scriptures hunt for God's truth and your search into scripture is to find only your truth, I'll tell you a secret the Bible is not about you, it was written for you. If you can't see this I have little hope for you and why, your logic is non existent. Many atheist here have claimed to read and understand the Bible, until the Christians here have shown them how wrong they are. You are in that same boat and unlike Noah's your's is sinking fast.

GC

[Minimalist]

The two agree completely

You need a better bible, G-C. 

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/1.html

The one you have has spent too much time  shoved up your ass.